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R 70 Judge 05-20-2022 09:27 PM

Help identifying gauges
 
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I’m a bit confused with my gauge cluster in my 1970 Trans Am and I’m hoping some of the experts can help me identify what I have/what I need. My goal is to have the correct appearing gauges, engine turned dash, and chrome bezels for 1970.

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but I think I have the correct tachometer, wrong speedometer (obviously not 160), correct oil/water gauge, and correct voltage gauge. I’m missing the fuel gauge. I’m guessing the engine turned dash is 74-76?

Just to add my car is non-A/C. Are the heater controls original?

Any input is appreciated :beerchug:

R 70 Judge 05-20-2022 09:41 PM

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Few more

FASTASSBIRD 05-21-2022 02:22 AM

Bezel is for sure wrong as it has radial tuned suspension badge. Speedo for sure is wrong l, should be 160 AND only have a brake light. Heater control unit looks correct. 70/71 use de-ice, not defrost like 72 and up

Peter Serio 05-21-2022 01:02 PM

1970 Trans Am, original GM gauges
 
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The speedometer and fuel gauge you need look like these 2:

Ramairnacho 05-21-2022 06:27 PM

1970 speedo cluster
 
The 1970 rpm guage is 1 wire only they used 2 wire I believe up to 74. I have 2 or 3 of each. The 250 psi max oil guage was used up to 1973 so that's correct. The 1970 had a black flower knob but if you have a 2 wire yack knob thread different as I learned from another thread. The speedo is to be a 160 mph with seat belt warning at bottom. The fuel has orange under 1/4 tank marks and is 1 year only too. This is my hobby but I like guages alot so always learning. I believe there is a post where someone installed dogital.guages that look the same. I believe mechanics is digital. I'm working but when I get home I'll send you pics of my collection and a 1970 bezel isn't cheap. I seen one at a friend's garage in Sacramento CA about 9 months ago. I have a 1970 formula 400 ra3 and it had warning lights only not goodso im.upgrading along with tilt steering.

Formulabruce 05-21-2022 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramairnacho (Post 6343848)
. The speedo is to be a 160 mph with seat belt warning at bottom.

The second warning light under the speedo did not Start to appear until Dec of 1971 for the new Calendar year DOT laws. Any 1970 bird does NOT have the seatbelt warning.
Just trying to keep history correct..

Ramairnacho 05-22-2022 11:38 AM

Guages
 
I tried sending pics last night it didn't let me I'll try again today

FrankieT/A 05-22-2022 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Formulabruce (Post 6343856)
The second warning light under the speedo did not Start to appear until Dec of 1971 for the new Calendar year DOT laws. Any 1970 bird does NOT have the seatbelt warning.
Just trying to keep history correct..

Agree!

And I believe the two wire tach started in '72. The '72 has an entirely different wire harness compared to '70-'71.

Ramairnacho 05-22-2022 04:15 PM

Guages
 
I'm at work and have a baby I will try My best to help you. I bought 2 correct ralley sets one I had to drive 3 hours for the fuel guage. I'm not bragging for one. But also built as a boy a rally set from parts I found at local wrecking yard not easy either. I have I believe 1 or 8 later 8 grand tacks. I'm not sure if you running stock points still not sure if anyone is but if you are the stock tac will work but not sure if it works on patronix or hei. Another thing is if you still have stock transmission and its accurate with later speedo then that needs to be recalibrate. Yeah I been dormant for 25 years built 5 dIly driver formulas with used parts not date coded and its a lot less stress than this high $ correct stuff. But now adays you can not find a $250 roller any more. I'll try again tonight

72projectbird 05-22-2022 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Formulabruce (Post 6343856)
The second warning light under the speedo did not Start to appear until Dec of 1971 for the new Calendar year DOT laws. Any 1970 bird does NOT have the seatbelt warning.
Just trying to keep history correct..

Can confirm my 70 does not have the seat belt warning light.

Ramairnacho 05-23-2022 12:53 AM

Rally 1970 guages
 
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Ok this is correct factory guages. The tqc is a 1 wire that I believe only works on points not on hei or payroll but I might be wrong I need to find out. The fuel is a 1 year only with orange under 1/4 tank. Honestly if you have a 2 wire put the hei and it should be fine, . Like said before speedo had brake only. Temp only 250

necdb3 05-23-2022 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramairnacho (Post 6344079)
Ok this is correct factory guages. The tqc is a 1 wire that I believe only works on points not on hei or payroll but I might be wrong I need to find out. The fuel is a 1 year only with orange under 1/4 tank. Honestly if you have a 2 wire put the hei and it should be fine, . Like said before speedo had brake only. Temp only 250

Nice find and it even has the original clock knob!

Ramairnacho 05-23-2022 08:51 AM

Thanks .sending I'm future to recdine gusgrs to get cleaned and overhauled plus calibrated

FrankieT/A 05-23-2022 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramairnacho (Post 6344079)
Ok this is correct factory guages. The tqc is a 1 wire that I believe only works on points not on hei or payroll but I might be wrong I need to find out. The fuel is a 1 year only with orange under 1/4 tank. Honestly if you have a 2 wire put the hei and it should be fine, . Like said before speedo had brake only. Temp only 250

My gages are 1970 one wire deal and I have used HEI with it for years-works perfect and pretty accurate compared to FI hand held.

Ramairnacho 05-23-2022 10:58 AM

Thanks wasn't sure if it did. My original plan was hei but now decided to run a patronix system hope it works for that as well.

jhein 05-23-2022 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramairnacho (Post 6344140)
Thanks wasn't sure if it did. My original plan was hei but now decided to run a patronix system hope it works for that as well.


I converted my dist to a DUI HEI before I found this: https://progressionignition.com/

I bought the HEI version which I'll be using on the new motor. Looks pretty slick. If it works as described and is reliable should be great.

FrankieT/A 05-23-2022 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jhein (Post 6344171)
I converted my dist to a DUI HEI before I found this: https://progressionignition.com/

I bought the HEI version which I'll be using on the new motor. Looks pretty slick. If it works as described and is reliable should be great.

WOW !!! very cool. Reliability ??

jhein 05-23-2022 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankieT/A (Post 6344195)
WOW !!! very cool. Reliability ??

I can't comment on reliability yet since I don't even have it in the car running. But, other members here are running them. Do a search on it. Also a general internet search will reveal lots of other people running them with seemingly good feedback.

I just think the ability to customize your timing curve like that is fantastic.

FrankieT/A 05-23-2022 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jhein (Post 6344198)
I can't comment on reliability yet since I don't even have it in the car running. But, other members here are running them. Do a search on it. Also a general internet search will reveal lots of other people running them with seemingly good feedback.

I just think the ability to customize your timing curve like that is fantastic.

Fantastic ??? I think maybe the best thing since sliced bread ! Lol

jhein 05-23-2022 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankieT/A (Post 6344207)
Fantastic ??? I think maybe the best thing since sliced bread ! Lol


I do have a tendency towards understatement...


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