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242177P 11-12-2022 08:15 PM

P63 + B17 = F
 
https://twitter.com/heckyessica/stat...25267197009926

Five B-17s in service has just become four :(

salem1912 11-12-2022 08:17 PM

Don't think any survivors. Sad news, wonder if they had passengers aboard or just the crew?

61-63 11-12-2022 08:20 PM

That is horrible!

77 TRASHCAN 11-12-2022 10:24 PM

Survivors unlikely. I HATE the thought.
Praying for ALL in need!!!

Dennis H. 11-12-2022 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by salem1912 (Post 6386406)
Don't think any survivors. Sad news, wonder if they had passengers aboard or just the crew?

My son does aviation photography, and he knew the pilot of the P63 and also was friends with a couple of the crew members of the Texas Rangers. He said there should only have been crew members on the B17 as they do not usually let other passengers on the plane during an air show. He was pretty upset with this horrible news.

Half-Inch Stud 11-13-2022 08:27 AM

B17 was minding its own business, whereas supposedly the Low Wing P63 has blind spots for situational unawareness.

NeighborsComplaint 11-13-2022 10:09 AM

There are a number of videos of the actual collision from different angles. I honestly can't figure out how the situation could have occurred with planes crossing paths like that at an airshow. I heard the blind spot theory stated which is entirely possible given the left wing down attitude of the P-63 in its turn and the B-17 to the above and right. My gut reaction was that event planners and air controllers failed to provide and maintain adequate separation of the event's flight paths.

hurryinhoosier62 11-13-2022 06:15 PM

An accident that should have never occurred.

Simple Man 11-13-2022 06:35 PM

Is that Wings over Dallas?

never mind
https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/13/us/da...day/index.html

Lightfoot 11-14-2022 12:43 AM

video of the aftermath from the air:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xm8udfv_4M

turbo69bird 11-14-2022 02:16 AM

As a pilot myself , Idk why that guy came ripping up on that b17 or why they weren’t at staggered altitudes. Usually in formation of any kind there assigned altitudes slightly off. Not second guessing the guy but usually they’d be at similar speeds.

My friend who flys air shows says they run an inside loop for fighter type and an outside loop for the big stuff. I can tell you it can be tough seeing all planes in a regular pattern and many accidents happen on clear beautiful days.
Sad day for all involved. Flying. Small planes can be dangerous have many friends who have crashed

ftwmlp 11-14-2022 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by salem1912 (Post 6386406)
Don't think any survivors. Sad news, wonder if they had passengers aboard or just the crew?

Dallas ME office confirms six (6) fatalities, 5 crew on B-17, 1 crew on King Cobra. Thankfully no spectators.
Speculation in the local community thinks the P-63 was coming around to join the B-17 in formation for a pass over the grandstand area, missed the center line of his turn, got his wings too vertical, lost control surfaces. Horrific videos, but a blessing more on the ground were not involve.

Mike Pearson

Skip Fix 11-14-2022 12:52 PM

I think that is the B17 I got 2 rides in at the Wings Over Houston back in the late 90s.


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