Odd Judge
 

Well got the PHS back today on the car I bought last week, Ram Air III, hood tach no gauge's no power steering but power brakes. Three speed trans on Burgundy, what a odd ball judge https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...14d3093efb.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...e1ffb477c9.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...ae6e2841da.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...0231199023.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...d09f83f4b7.jpg

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Odd indeed. You are a braver man than I...;)

"Last Stop Garage" often uses diggers to move things. Marty Raney moves chicken coops.

Black Friday 2019 I got this great deal on a 75" Philips. Dutch name licensed to Japanese company and made in Mexico.

Brought my Judge home on a trailer it drove on. Looong time ago.

The way it's equipped sounds like a dealer ordered car for a 'price leader'. Hardly no options.

Don't think so, too many options (push button radio, console, soft-ray glass, pdb, posi...). Florida car and no AC ?

Were people who saw no purpose in a four speed.

Suspect it came with a plain T-handle that just said "Hurst"

Correct on the handlehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...fd08775fd7.jpg

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Well how many burgundy 3 spd judge's are out there ?

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Need to dig out a filing cabinet that is blocked by the printer.

ps in case you want to restore it, this is what it is supposed to look like.

Great find! I like the option content on that one. I’d take a 3speed manual with no ac over an auto car anyday

That paint should buff right out. Seriously, it's a really cool car that would be nice to save. You have your work cut out for you

Would agree with Jerry's "price leader" description,
AM radio, console, & all tinted glass were all commonly ordered by a huge majority of southern dealers on 70 GTO's, LeMans Sports, & Grand Prixs, even factory non AC cars. The main oddity of this '70 Judge order is the base transmission (HD Muncie 3spd) was retained thus keeping the entry price even that more palatable for a buyer on a budget.

Wasn't the original intent of the Judge option to be a low-content competitor to the Road Runner? This one would be true to that mission.
James Q

I always felt that the optioned added to all the pattern (69) Judges was done with two things in mind...

1... to have the installed options that would both create the right "younger" first impression image of the car while satisfying most typical target buyers... i.e. power disc brakes, power steering gauges, Safe-t-track, radio, console, tach (with manual trans) etc.

2... to sneak in some low priced but high profit items that increased profit per car without raising the sticker price too much to impact sales volume... i.e. soft ray glass all around, deluxe seat belts

Those options in item 2 (tinted glass and deluxe belts) were almost 100% pure profit (there is no real added cost to those type of options) and most typical judge buyers would do without but they were cheap enough that they didn't say no to buying the car anyhow over an extra $50 in the selling price. This however gave GM an extra $50 of profit on all those initial Judges.

I think the did it right in that those first Judges were optioned in a way that balanced youthful image and profitability right. If for example they allowed Judges to go out the door day one in different colors and with things like vinyl tops and bench seats the Judge would have disappeared from the public interest. They made them all alike enough to sear that desired image in the public mindset of what a Judge was while allowing enough flexibility (transmission choice, AC or not) to satisfy enough prospective buyers so that the initial run of cars wouldn't collect dust on dealer lots, which would have also destroyed the cars image and reputation.

Here is a question on this car... why is the Safe-T-Track not HD? All axles 3.36 and numerically higher should be billed out as HD STT at $63.19. You normally only see the $42.13 STT (non-HD) billed out on AC cars which this car doesn't have.

My guess is this car was ordered by an individual buyer who just wanted the car to suit his personal tastes.

If the dealer really wanted a "price leader" Judge to draw buyers I'd think he wouldn't have ordered things like a console or a STT or power brakes. Especially since those few little extras pushed the car over the phycological barrier of $4k.

Most dealers who were ordering any kind of "bait" cars would order power steering but not power brakes because for the vast majority of budget buyers power brakes were really not needed but power steering was a real pain to live without.

In the early 60s the great bulk of rental cars had power steering but not power brakes. Drum brakes had the Bendix self-servo and were not very hard to push.

That said agree about the "personal taste" I remember people who just wanted an H pattern.

Is the HD posi what was known as the 4-pinion ?

Yes, on all Pontiac cars that had 10 bolt BOP diffs of that era the 3.36 and numerically higher diffs used a 4 pinion STT rather than the 2 pinion one. These were charged out at a higher price and were labelled SAF-T-TR-HD on the PHS.

On this car it is likely a billing error, if the car was special ordered with say a 3.23 or 3.08 axle rather than the stock 3.55 ratio for that engine trans combo then you'd see the $2.11 special order axle charge as an option. Another possibility could be that the car was built with say a 3.23 axle by error or due to 3.55 axle shortage on the line at that moment and was billed as built.

The car is a 355 Posi car don't know we're you all are seeing anything different.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...c1d5d15945.jpg

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rare4k, please read my last two posts. I am just saying that the STT option on your PHS is incorrect for a non air Judge. it's probably just a billing error as I mentioned. I've seen this happen on occasion on PHS's.

Just a side note but those "billing records" are what John, Fred, & company saved when Pontiac was getting rid of the microfilms/microfilches. If there are errors they originated at Pontiac.

Got it, now you have me looking at my other two judge's PHS

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