eBay sightings
 

I watch eBay a lot and it seems pointless to start new threads when things pop up. These two are worthy:

1969 Firebird convert 4-speed. I have a Palladium silver 350HO convert 4-speed car and I would be hard pressed to finish it for less than the $18K reserve. This car seems to be a very good deal IMO.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/171338053084...;3AMEBIDX%3AIT

69 T/A real deal 4 speed car
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261489402742...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

$65K is a lot of money, but IMO this car is worth it. A real 4-speed car in this shape is very hard to find.

I emailed the guy selling the first car twice to show me the PHS documentation and the cowl tag. Still no response. And on closer inspection of the car, under magnification, it has an awful amount of rot. Think I'll pass.

Good call if it's true. Still don't get why people claim they have the docs and don't post it.

69 T/A convertible clone.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Pontiac...p2056016.l4276

$35K BIN. Front fender gaps are wrong. I like the gray stripes, but they're wrong... even for a clone. I like the wheels (usually I don't), but rally II's would look better. No pics of the interior. No way this car is worth $35K IMO, but it is a nice car. I assume the hood is fiberglass due to the pins... never was one much for hood pins.

VIN - 223679U603512
'6' would make it a 6 cylinder Bird originally.

:)

Probably the ugliest hood in the history of 69 Firebirds, I sort of feel sorry for this guy. Everything about this car has been done wrong, and probably for a lot of money. The interior is awful, the exhaust is cartoon and the body mods all make it worth less. My guess is $14K on a good day.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Fire...US_Cars_Trucks

Kill it with fire.

69 Firebird auto covert with a $10K reserve. Well worth $10K, so it may go for much less than it's worth; I like the story too.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Pontiac...p2056016.l4276

69 Firebird convert T/A clone. Supposed to be frame off and has all new metal. 4-speed 350 car... worth the $22K IMO.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Pontiac...p2056016.l4276

Really?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Fire...US_Cars_Trucks

If it's a real 350 HO with a red interior it would be a real gem. I sent them a message asking how they know it's a 350 HO. It pisses me off when people call a 350 with an Edelbrock intake an HO. Also... is that a red top?

67 Firebird 400 convertible with a 3 speed stick starting at $5K.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Fire...US_Cars_Trucks

69 Firebird 350HO hard top auto with the correct XC engine. No reserve and currently at $3050. Interesting that it has the chome valve covers and air cleaner. I'm not sure about this, but I think the 350HO came with painted valve covers and a black lid for the air cleaner from the factory. Carousel red with parchment interior and painted white top is something you see everyday.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Pontiac...p2056016.l4276

68 leather interior convert Firebird. Granted there's a lot of work to do, but it's one rare beast. $3900 with no reserve.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Fire...US_Cars_Trucks

Anyone here know this one? Looks great!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Tran...3D271525085800

That is a beautiful car. For a ADV.ASSN.COL car it doesn't have many options, but at least the 4-speed is one of them. Not sure how adding the steering wheel, console and Rally II's affect it's value, but my guess is anything less than $80K would be breaking even for the seller.

The steering wheel is part of the trans am package but you are correct about the console and wheels. Also only deluxe interior cars received a trunk mat but anyway you slice it,it's a nice car.

Was a posi part of the package too?

yes

69 T/A convertible clone at no reserve. Looks like an awesome car.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Tran...US_Cars_Trucks

You may have missed this one, as it only seems to come up with a "69 Firebird" search and not in the collector cars. With a $5289 MSRP and leather interior, it's loaded. Currently at $8100 with the reserve off. An ADV.ASSN.COL car, I assume it was built to showcase the options for potential buyers.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Fire...US_Cars_Trucks

She's a beauty...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Pontiac...p2056016.l4276

A few things wrong with this 67 Firebird, but a lot of it is right.

I liked all the options on the 6/27 69, but not the original colors.

This is just to help folks understand - who might not be aware.

Usually this is on the Invoice in 2 lines
OPT LOC_________ADV. ASSN. COL

It all goes together
Optional Local Advertising Association Collections

Really has nothing to do with the car itself.
When dealers elected to be a part of an advertising pool in their area with other PMD dealers - they were charged a set amount per vehicle sold.

Some areas were $5 per car , some $10 , some $15 - just depended on the area and amount/cost of advertising.

Whether it was a no-option Tempest, or loaded Bonne Vert, same fee per car.
Not all dealers were on these programs.

Not all cars were special orders, so I assumed Pontiac would build some heavily optioned cars to put in the dealers showroom to showcase the options. I would also assume they'd build some low optioned cars because that's all some could afford. Would you assume cars like these would be an ADV. ASSN. COL car?

The Optional Local Advertising Association Collections has nothing to do with the options on a car, or whether it was special ordered. Like BVZ stated, it's simply that the dealer was part of the advertising pool. I have a lot of invoices for standard GTO's, standard Firebird 350's, many with only a few options, that had the Optional Local Advertising Association Collection charge.

That is the full and correct explanation for OPT LOC ADV ASSN COL
Its all about an advertising pool - being identified on TV , newspapers , magazines
I can't view pics on eBay - can you post that Invoice ?

To hit on what you're driving at a little , Dealers had to PAY for any car invoiced to them. Back in these days - PMD didn't build hard loads and require them to buy one for display. Dealers selected their own builds / inventory - or ordered pre-builds from Zone Stock Inventory. Zone Inventory cars were usually lower to moderate option content.

What you are thinking of perhaps - are PMD Brass hat cars, and PMD Display/Marketing/Advertising cars.
There is a different method all together to identify these on their Invoices and Build Sheets.

Those particular cars - when sold to/through a dealer - would be exempt from the Advertising Collections - due to them being "lightly used" cars.

Your guesswork is understandable, but incorrect.
Don't let that deter you from keeping this thread alive with more neat finds.
You weed out some pretty desirable and interesting cars / projects. :)

What did the dealer get out of being part of the advertising pool?

69 Prototype
 

This one is going to get some responses and new threads goin':

WARNING:
Please remove your readers before clicking the link.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Fire...US_Cars_Trucks

Oh good grief Charlie Brown!!

This car deserves its own thread.

It sure does have some super rare cheesy seats.

It has it's own thread. This clown has been trying to sell this plain-Jane car for some time now as a prototype. Note in the eBay ad there's a picture of four different build sheets that you can't read. Why four?

I don't know if it's the Monroes, but he's definitely riding high on something.

This is a real 69 350HO AC 4-speed posi convertible:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/331276757817...TQ:MOTORS:1123

I pinged the guy and he sent me the PHS docs. He said the motor was rebuilt and has $15K in it. I have two of these so I won't even ask my wife if I can buy it. At $7K it's an absolute steal. Not sure of the colors. The PHS docs he sent me were low resolution and I can't tell, but it has an MSRP of $4316.

ETA It's a Midnight green car with a white INT and White top.

This car sold. Did one of you buy it?

This 69 looks like a good deal with no reserve.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Fire...US_Cars_Trucks

Here's a 69 Firebird no reserve auction. A black/black car with a stick. My guess is $13K.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Fire...US_Cars_Trucks

This is interesting... a supposed 69 350HO with a no reserve $1000 bid. The parts alone are worth three times that.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Fire...US_Cars_Trucks

How much will it cost you to collect them all up and get them where you need them?

When I bought my 69 350HO convert I flew into St. Louis, rented a U-Haul with a full trailer (4 wheels off the ground) and towed it home. The car was completely apart, so there was a lot of boxes. He didn't have a cherry picker, but we were able to get the engine in the truck. If I had found the car wasn't worth it, I would have had to fly home, so I had an out. Also, the seller and I went to the bank and had everything notarized, so all the paperwork to get the title was solid. This was about 4 years ago and the U-Haul cost about $1000.

69 T/A clone with no reserve. Currently at $11K.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Fire...US_Cars_Trucks

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Fire...US_Cars_Trucks

This is a good deal for a 69 convert. It has Edelbrock heads and most of the mechanicals done. Starting out at $8K no reserve... should hit it IMO.

that appears to be a smoking deal

There has to be $8K in just the drivetrain. Poker aint free and those E heads and short block are not cheap. I have two 69 converts and I would love to have the quarters that this car has. The hood tach is Mickey, there's a lot of new parts that would come with it, and if I wasn't married I'd bid on it... but I'm not going to. This is a eBay thing that doesn't come up too often. One could make some money on this car.

Sold for $8K. Whoever bought that car got a screaming deal. The Edelbrock heads are worth $2K all day and there has to be at least $5K in the block. I hope it shows up here.

69 Firebird convert starting at $1000 with no reserve. Nice car.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Fire...US_Cars_Trucks

Another 69 convert with no reserve sitting at $7K.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Fire...US_Cars_Trucks

It's a CA car but has some rust. A plane Jane 350 auto car, one could make this one any color combo they wanted. It'll probably sell for $8K and change.

67 convertible in Texas. No reserve and sitting at $100. It has to be worth something for its parts.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Fire...US_Cars_Trucks

You mean 68