I am interested in buying a '69 or '70
Grand prix and I was wondering if either came
from the factory with a 455? What engines were offered during these years? Did they come with 4-speed transmissions, if so how rare is this option?
Thanks, Don

I am interested in buying a '69 or '70
Grand prix and I was wondering if either came
from the factory with a 455? What engines were offered during these years? Did they come with 4-speed transmissions, if so how rare is this option?
Thanks, Don

69 GP: 400 or 428, 3-speed or 4-speed or auto
70 GP: 400 or 455, 3-speed, 4-speed or auto

These were your options for the 69 or 70 GP. Manual transmission cars are quite rare. There should be a breakdown either on this board or somewhere on the web.
Harvey

In 1969, there were 112,486 GPs built, but only 1,014 had manual transmissions and approximately 676 of those were four speeds.

In 1970, there were 65,750 GPs built, but only 500 had manual transmissions and 329 of those were four speeds.

In 1971, there were 58,324 GPs built, but only 116 had manual transmissions, and exactly half of those were four speeds.

By 1972, all GPs had automatic transmissions.
So yes, manual transmission GPs were pretty rare.

Thanks for the info guys, I think I'll try
to find a 4-speed car. Rarity intrigues me.

4-speeds are rare and costly!
I know someone that has 3-4 of them.
Won't sell any of them.

This may fit the bill for you perfectly - 455 4 speed '70 GP.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...&category=6422

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 71 Hurst SSJ:
69 GP: 400 or 428, 3-speed or 4-speed or auto
70 GP: 400 or 455, 3-speed, 4-speed or auto

These were your options for the 69 or 70 GP. Manual transmission cars are quite rare. There should be a breakdown either on this board or somewhere on the web.
Harvey <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Hurst SSJ: I'm considering a taking a job down in Clearwater. I live in NJ now. What's the Tampa/Clearwater hot rod seen like?
Paul

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 69GP428:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 71 Hurst SSJ:
69 GP: 400 or 428, 3-speed or 4-speed or auto
70 GP: 400 or 455, 3-speed, 4-speed or auto

These were your options for the 69 or 70 GP. Manual transmission cars are quite rare. There should be a breakdown either on this board or somewhere on the web.
Harvey <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi Hurst SSJ: I'm considering a taking a job down in Clearwater. I live in NJ now. What's the Tampa/Clearwater hot rod seen like?
Paul <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

PS I have one of those rare 69 428 4 speeds. I belive that combo is 1 of 302. Has there ever been a documented manual SSJ? That would be something!

I'll tell you about an even more odd-ball car than that. How about a 69 428HO 3-spd model J with manual brakes. I had a chance to get the car and blew it by a couple of days. I can't remember if it was manual disc or manual drum, but I know the car was a base car with no options other than the 428HO and the posi.

MIke

I've been trying to find & document a manual tranny SSJ, but since 1986, I haven't found a single shred of evidence that one exists. It could of have been built (I wouldn't put anything past Hurst when they converted some of these cars) for an executive at Hurst or Pontiac, or a family member, or an employee. We may never know until one pops up, or someone who owned one comes forward.

69GP428,
First of all, great car you have there!!! Secondly, the hot rod/cruise scene is very good at times. Summertime here is very hot and the shows/cruises scene slows down a bit. Otherwise, we have a monthly cruise in Plant City, Friday and Saturday night cruises in Old Town Kissimmee (fantastic place in my opinion for cruises), Ronnie Setser has numerous cruises and shows through the bay area, a swap meet in Webster, and the grand daddy of them all, Turkey Rod Run at Thanksgiving. There's also a comparable Daytona show in March I believe. There's also a place called BiffBurger in St. Pete which has shows and cruises. We also have some decent drag strips around town. Visit this site for additional car scene stuff in central Florida:
http://www.cruisenewsonline.com/
On top of it all, I love living here! We have beautiful beaches, warm weather, and your can wear shorts and t-shirts in January!
Harvey

I have a rare 77 formula wa code T/A 400-4speed if your interested?

greg

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 71 Hurst SSJ:
69GP428,
First of all, great car you have there!!! Secondly, the hot rod/cruise scene is very good at times. Summertime here is very hot and the shows/cruises scene slows down a bit. Otherwise, we have a monthly cruise in Plant City, Friday and Saturday night cruises in Old Town Kissimmee (fantastic place in my opinion for cruises), Ronnie Setser has numerous cruises and shows through the bay area, a swap meet in Webster, and the grand daddy of them all, Turkey Rod Run at Thanksgiving. There's also a comparable Daytona show in March I believe. There's also a place called BiffBurger in St. Pete which has shows and cruises. We also have some decent drag strips around town. Visit this site for additional car scene stuff in central Florida:
http://www.cruisenewsonline.com/
On top of it all, I love living here! We have beautiful beaches, warm weather, and your can wear shorts and t-shirts in January!
Harvey <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for the info. I will check it out. I expect to be there in October, just in time for the temp to cool off a bit. I loved your closing arguments except you left out just one thing. The ladies wear shorts and [skimpy]
t-shirts year round too.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by poncho-mike:
I'll tell you about an even more odd-ball car than that. How about a 69 428HO 3-spd model J with manual brakes. I had a chance to get the car and blew it by a couple of days. I can't remember if it was manual disc or manual drum, but I know the car was a base car with no options other than the 428HO and the posi.

That is an oddball. I'm told mine is unusual in that besides the 4speed it is an SJ with no air. It did have a one option I thought was strange, a power trunk. Ever seen a '71 stick car, perhaps the rarest of them all.

MIke <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by poncho-mike:
I'll tell you about an even more odd-ball car than that. How about a 69 428HO 3-spd model J with manual brakes. I had a chance to get the car and blew it by a couple of days. I can't remember if it was manual disc or manual drum, but I know the car was a base car with no options other than the 428HO and the posi.

MIke <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Mike, I believe the power disc brakes became a standard feature (but I can't tell you exactly when), but I'd heard there were a few manual drum cars built. My September 26, 1968 pricing schedule shows power disc brakes as an option, but my January 1, 1969 schedule shows them as standard equipment. There does not appear to be a price schedule between those two dates.

Hey Greg, how much for the '77 formula, and how close are you to Georgia?
Thanks Don

In '71 all 455's were automatics. You could not get a d port 455 with a stick beginning in '71. No,T-37's, LeMans, GTO's, GP's, Cat's, Bonneville's or FB's. Literature even shows it. Tried to buy one in '71 and was told by dealer that they weren't available.

Manual trans were for 6's, and all V-8's except the standard 455.

Hi guys,

I wasn't aware this thread was still going on.

The 69 GP with the 3-spd is a model J. I believe that the power discs were standard on SJ, but optional on the Model Js.

I don't think any manual tranny SSJs were built. I got into this argument with a 71 GTO owner who swore his dad bought a 71 GTO 455 D-port 4-spd new.

If you look in the factory service manuals and all several of the reference books, you'll find that there is no engine code listed for the 455 D-port engine with manual tranny. I believe that you could get a 400 with a 3-spd in GP and Monte Carlo.

Talking about odd options on the GPs. Have any of you ever seen a set of rear shoulder harnesses for a 69 GP?

Mike

Mike, you're right about the PDB being included with the SJ, but again, that was only for the period between 9/68 and 1/1/69, when the new pricing schedule no longer listed PDB as an option.

My buddy had a 69 GP-J that had rear seat shoulder belts. Limelight Green, green standard interior. Car has since rotted away and been cut up.