Here is your chance. It is not selling, and that is a fact. Now why is that?

Here is your chance. It is not selling, and that is a fact. Now why is that?

A number of things, not just one thing.

1. 1st time getting cars into the country and Pontiac has had teething pains. They will live and learn about it.

2. Lack of advertising. Pontiac should have had a HUGE campaign for this car but they didn't. And as a GM of product development for Camaro said once, each division only gets a certain budget for advertising and when you sell 80K grand ams or 15K GTO's, which do you want to advertise more? That is why you see the GTO being paired with other Pontiacs in it's commercials.

3. Dealers are still not dealing because MANY don't have a huge alotment of cars and they want to squeeze as much money out of them as they can.

4. Styling. Exeterior doesn't excite many people, but there are others that like it because it is subtle. There isn't much to complain about because of the interior.

5. Lack of options and price it is offered at. No dead pedle, no sunroof, etc et all. Other cars that offer just as good performance at the same price are offered with sunroofs, heated seats, navigation, etc.

Based on what I have seen with the new STS and Corvette and the V8 GXP Grand Prix coming down the pike, the '07 All NEW VELITE GTO should have addressed all those issues.

And FYI, the C6 Corvette will be priced lower than the C5 now.

I hope it gets better in '05. Once details were leaked, it is hurting sales of the 04 with people waiting on the HP and styling of the 05.

how do you expect the GTO to succeed , when you chased off any fans of the new goat that wants to join this forum ?

so basically, you want an answer why the new GTO isn't selling, and thats because of all the negativity, that it doesn't live up to the legend, as soon as everyone stops their whinning, maybe by the '05 model youll have gotten over your crying and complaining.

To the marketing effort:

I'm channel surfing this morning and run across a show about this "drifting" nonsense. Yep, just as I thought, it's just a ricefest. Anyway, what FACTORY SPONSORED (marketing)vehicle was the star of the show for all these misguided children? The 2004 "GTO"! Who is the target market again? Does Pontiac even know?

It gets better! Next I see the teaser for the next "Grandmaster Puff Daddy, Pimp Your Ride" episode. Some poor car is going to get a set of spinner 22's, a big "phat" spoiler, and God only knows what else. Can anyone guess which car it is? A 2004 "GTO". I'm not sure if GM provided the car, but it sure smells like product placement to me.

I didn't think Pontiac could do worse with their marketing of the car, but guess what, they did. I guess we can expect a boost in sales from the "get sideways in the high school parking lot" crowd as well as the 'hood.

Good job Lutz!

Posted by GTO_2004:
"how do you expect the GTO to succeed , when you chased off any fans of the new goat that wants to join this forum ?

so basically, you want an answer why the new GTO isn't selling, and thats because of all the negativity, that it doesn't live up to the legend, as soon as everyone stops their whinning, maybe by the '05 model youll have gotten over your crying and complaining."

You took the words right out of my mouth.... I couldn't have put it better myself!
Excellent response to a negative poll.

why the new GTO isn't selling, and thats because of all the negativity,

So who is negative about this car other than some people on this site? The consumer... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif

Let me guess. The .00000005% of the buying market on this site has ruined the car, right?....get real...the car does not sell because of various reasons, but that statement is total bullsh!#... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...s/icon_eek.gif

Hell, you are even too much of a wimp to even cast a vote. I guess when your opinion counts, all bet's are off.. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif

yeah sure goathead, whatever, you must have too much time on your hands coming up with new ways to bash the GTO, we all know how you feel, now move along.

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It's because most car enthusiasts don't know a performance car if it hit them in the ass. They are to worried about the look, instead of performance. Posers. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 455HOGT37:
To the marketing effort:

I'm channel surfing this morning and run across a show about this "drifting" nonsense. Yep, just as I thought, it's just a ricefest. Anyway, what FACTORY SPONSORED (marketing)vehicle was the star of the show for all these misguided children? The 2004 "GTO"! Who is the target market again? Does Pontiac even know?

It gets better! Next I see the teaser for the next "Grandmaster Puff Daddy, Pimp Your Ride" episode. Some poor car is going to get a set of spinner 22's, a big "phat" spoiler, and God only knows what else. Can anyone guess which car it is? A 2004 "GTO". I'm not sure if GM provided the car, but it sure smells like product placement to me.

I didn't think Pontiac could do worse with their marketing of the car, but guess what, they did. I guess we can expect a boost in sales from the "get sideways in the high school parking lot" crowd as well as the 'hood.

Good job Lutz! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Did you notice the Viper also? Probaby not.

p.s. it's not a holden. it's a pontiac head goat

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Like Mick said, "you can't allways get what you want".... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

They are to worried about the look, instead of performance

Nick, I thing that consumers want both these days. That's the way it was in the past, and they don't want to stop now... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif

Goathead posted:
"Hell, you are even too much of a wimp to even cast a vote. I guess when your opinion counts, all bet's are off.."


The reason I have not cast a vote is because all the negative choices that you have listed are not pertinent to my opinion. It is not because I or any of the 2004 GTO owners are wimps as you suggest.

Why don't you run a poll to ask why the original GTO was discontinued?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Nickv:

Did you notice the Viper also? Probaby not. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't catch all of it Nick, but was the Viper also factory provided as a marketing effort?

And as long as we are on the subject, do you think this is a worthwile marketing channel for a so called "world class" sports coupe? I am of the opinion that it cheapens the perception of a product that is much better than the ricer crowd. I think it shows how GM can have a good product handed to them, and still screw it up (again).

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ozzy:
Goathead posted:
"Hell, you are even too much of a wimp to even cast a vote. I guess when your opinion counts, all bet's are off.."


The reason I have not cast a vote is because all the negative choices that you have listed are not pertinent to my opinion. It is not because I or any of the 2004 GTO owners are wimps as you suggest.

Why don't you run a poll to ask why the original GTO was discontinued? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In case you were still in diapers, or not even thought of yet. The 1974 GTO was based on the smaller "X" body. It was the only year GTO for many things. Some of them- All had functional cold or Ram Air, shaker hood, unitized body, leaf spring rear suspension, only year with 350 engine (also no engine options), hatchback body style, no GTO emblem in left grille. It was a changing world when the '74s were introduced in late '73. After the bad sales of GTOs for a few years (and all muscle cars for that matter), Pontiac tried to appeal to a newer market by downsizing/ lightening the car and used new marketing too. The industry was already hurting and adjusting to changes imposed on them by the government. Things like upcoming mandatory unleaded fuel requirements, 5 mph bumpers (later reduced in the 80s), strict emmissions standards. All those things hurt horsepower/performance and/or added weight. The GTO and performance were not popular words when you had to wait an hour or more to get gas and more expensive gas too! With another poor sales year in '74 , Pontiac axed the GTO. It was still a good car but, facts are facts, if people aren't buying them they can't make money and that is that. The GTO name has been considered countless times since '74 to reappear. I can thank Pontiac for not doing it. Let the name and the legend live as it is. Now the latest word is that Pontiac is bringing back the GTO as a foreign car in '03. Lovely

It is not because I or any of the 2004 GTO owners are wimps as you suggest.

16 post Ozzy, I said you were acting like a wimp, not all of the '04 owners as you suggest.

This post is about why the car is not selling and nothing else. If you cannot read the heading, let someone else do it for you... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif

Personally, I pray that GM does not let this car become a disaster, and I hope changes are made swiftly. If things go right, I may even own one by 2006 myself, but there are lot's of variables. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif

This post is not about the car itself, but why it isn't selling. Now, if you can stay focused, tell us your opinion on the original subject, if you will..... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif

Before anything is said, my last post is from the history pages of Pontiac Heaven. Now, no need for a poll. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Goathead:
_ It is not because I or any of the 2004 GTO owners are wimps as you suggest._

16 post Ozzy, I said you were acting like a wimp, not all of the '04 owners as you suggest.

This post is about why the car is not selling and nothing else. If you cannot read the heading, let someone else do it for you... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...n_rolleyes.gif

Personally, I pray that GM does not let this car become a disaster, and I hope changes are made swiftly. If things go right, I may even own one by 2006 myself, but there are lot's of variables. http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif

This post is not about the car itself, but why it isn't selling. Now, if you can stay focused, tell us your opinion on the original subject, if you will..... http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Goathead, there does seem to be a few problems with reading comprehension going around. Addmitidly I went off the subject, but hey, I figured I would educate, and avoid another poll http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Goathead:
This post is not about the car itself, but why it isn't selling. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And I, for one, don't think you have proper choices in the poll.

Mr_GTO had my thoughts on why sales aren't happening.

I am one of the people that had eagerly awaited the new GTO, drove it, was impressed with it, but before I had a chance to do that, was aware that in '05 there were styling and performance changes coming.

If you would have created a better poll, one that was not so onesided, you might have had a chance to get some real valid responses.

Rodgers Pontiac here in town told me they ran 2 04's in the paper for two weeks at $29.000 and not one bite. this was one week ago. He said they had 5 sitting on there back lot I only saw two. He was all too eger for me too drive one of them but the wife said nooooo.
Don