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tyler mckee 04-21-2004 09:01 PM

Just put on a new edelbrock 750 cfm carb (1411), engine is a new 400, performer intake, HEI dist. Timing was set to 10 degrees initial, don't know total. When you step on it it pops through the carb. Could this be a timing issue, or a carb issue? The thing is running very rich.

tyler mckee 04-21-2004 09:01 PM

Just put on a new edelbrock 750 cfm carb (1411), engine is a new 400, performer intake, HEI dist. Timing was set to 10 degrees initial, don't know total. When you step on it it pops through the carb. Could this be a timing issue, or a carb issue? The thing is running very rich.

Doug Christie 04-21-2004 09:25 PM

If it's running rich, that would just about eliminate the carb. Why do you say it's running rich?

72firechicken 04-21-2004 09:31 PM

Try advancing the timing a little at a time to see what happens.

tyler mckee 04-21-2004 10:14 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Doug Christie:
If it's running rich, that would just about eliminate the carb. Why do you say it's running rich? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

plenty of black smoke, ground by the exhaust stained black http://pysales.com/images/evil.gif

tyler mckee 04-21-2004 10:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 72firechicken:
Try advancing the timing a little at a time to see what happens. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

i tried advancing it a little, didn't go too far, still happened. When i advanced it the idle would pick up, this is normal i assume? Sorry for the lame questions, i'm still new to this.

Doug Christie 04-21-2004 10:38 PM

Check fireing order. Maybe a plug wire out of order. Does this backfire only happen while your driving and put your foot to the floor?

tyler mckee 04-21-2004 10:47 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Doug Christie:
Check fireing order. Maybe a plug wire out of order. Does this backfire only happen while your driving and put your foot to the floor? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Will check the firing order tomorrow.
Have not driven the car yet. Just sitting in park, if i get on the throttle it will pop through the carb. Doesn't seem to happen as much when i slowly apply throttle. But i have not messed with it too much, i just got it running, i will play with it more tomorrow.

tyler mckee 04-28-2004 08:26 PM

I just put in new plugs, checked the firing order, all is fine. I noticed it doesn't pop when i slowly get on the throttle, only when i goose it a little bit. The car is running very rich once you give it gas, i tuned the idle circuit today, and i ordered the calibration kit from edelbrock today also.

tyler mckee 04-28-2004 08:43 PM

Also there is a bit of valvetrain noise. I was going to pop off the valve colvers and adjust the rockers with the car running, Need to paint the valve covers anyways http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...icon_smile.gif To do this you simply loosen the rocker bolt untill you hear it clatter a bit, then tighten it till it is silent, then go 1/4 - 1/2 turn more? Is this correct?

Doug Christie 04-28-2004 08:47 PM

Only if your valve train is adjustable (locking nuts), otherwise torque to 20#.

tininjun67 04-28-2004 08:57 PM

Be sure all of the valves are opening, especially the exhaust. I had a chebby truck that would pop out the intake when you got on it. Turned out the #8 exhuast lobe was worn, only opened the valve about .100. It would dump hot exhaust into the intake under hard accel.

BVR421 04-28-2004 10:06 PM

did this car ever run without backfiring and black smoke? Or did it just start doing this after you had the ignition apart and put a different (with a stuck float) carb on it?
I wouldnt screw around with the valves etc until you fix what is already broken, deal with one thing at a time,

tyler mckee 04-28-2004 10:10 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BVR421:
did this car ever run without backfiring and black smoke? Or did it just start doing this after you had the ignition apart and put a different (with a stuck float) carb on it?
I wouldnt screw around with the valves etc until you fix what is already broken, deal with one thing at a time, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

engine was newly rebuilt, have not driven it yet. carb is a new edelbrock 750 cfm (1411). it had a holley 650 cav secondary on it for the cam break in, but i wasn't there for that so i don't know how it ran then


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