I'm thinking about buying a 2004 after checking area (Western NY) dealers. At the 20 dealers within a 70 mile radius of my house there is about 100 in stock. GM is mow offering $2000 rebate and combined with my GMS discount I can buy one for 27,845. Couple grand more in rebates and it will be priced right. Just picked up a Envoy as a daily driver and the wife got a new GP/GT2 as a driver in April but this is getting too good to pass up. Would make a nice companion to my 64. How are prices in other parts of the country??

I'm thinking about buying a 2004 after checking area (Western NY) dealers. At the 20 dealers within a 70 mile radius of my house there is about 100 in stock. GM is mow offering $2000 rebate and combined with my GMS discount I can buy one for 27,845. Couple grand more in rebates and it will be priced right. Just picked up a Envoy as a daily driver and the wife got a new GP/GT2 as a driver in April but this is getting too good to pass up. Would make a nice companion to my 64. How are prices in other parts of the country??

Evidently not cheap enough.

GMS? Meaning General motors smart buy? ??

GMS? I thought that meant General Motors Supplier discount?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SLMIMAGE:
...this is getting too good to pass up... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unless GM rolls a bunch of cars in the next couple months, you're better off waiting. I'm betting there will be some serious deals to come. I'd like to see what people are paying also. If I pick one up, I'll gladly post the final number. We can have a contest to see who can cut the best deal.

They are now selling though, this may be it for the incentives. Hard to say if we'll see any additions but I would give it another month or so. You may have to take what is available though where as now you can pretty much still get whatever color/tranny you want.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TA71:
GMS? I thought that meant General Motors Supplier discount? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It does and it doesn't, depend on who you are talking to.

GMS is typically the employee/family program. GMS is buy off lot and GMO is order.

"GM Supplier" is typically the term used when talking supplier discount but I've also seen some call this GMS.

Very confusing...

Also, can you change your avatar please, very distracting! http://forums.performanceyears.com/g...on_biggrin.gif

If anyone is interested. Sewell Pontiac in Dallas, is selling GTO's @ the Supplier Discount price without any haggling. Very easy to work with, and they have about 6-7 in stock. Ask for Jason or Sadalah, 2 great sales people.

I bit the bullet today and leased a 6sp for 24 months. The deal was too good to pass up. GMS deal was 291 a month. gm came out with a 3500 incentive with gmac fin. or lease plus gms deals get another 1000. Im not crazy about the exterior but the car rides great. the best part is that I traded a vibe that I owed 6700 on and I got a check back for 5000. Oh yea progressive dropped my rate by 69 every 6 months. I'm pretty jacked up!!

I checked out Power Pontiac in Hawthorne/Manhattan Beach California area yesterday. They had 5 GTOs on the lot, including a nice side-by-side comparo of the barbados Blue and Impulse Blue. Only one was a M6.

This dealer had a $5000 "market adjustment" in the windows!!! Yup - trying to get $38k for them!

And then the salesman tells me there's not going to be a 2005 GTO - "they cancelled it", he said.

Looks like I'm not going to be buying from these guys...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by michael c:
I bit the bullet today and leased a 6sp for 24 months. The deal was too good to pass up. GMS deal was 291 a month. gm came out with a 3500 incentive with gmac fin. or lease plus gms deals get another 1000. Im not crazy about the exterior but the car rides great. the best part is that I traded a vibe that I owed 6700 on and I got a check back for 5000. Oh yea progressive dropped my rate by 69 every 6 months. I'm pretty jacked up!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Even the guys at the dealer were scratching there heads about my deal on the 04. One of the salesman said he had just bought the 2nd to last one 2 weeks ago and missed this deal.

I actually think this car gets more looks than my 70 or at least as much.

Buy now or wait? You can buy now for right around invoice and have pretty good selection. Ask the dealer for a couple of $500 Instant Value Certificates and save an additional grand. Wait and maybe get a better deal, but on a yellow automatic. Fine if that's what you want. What will be interesting to watch is number of cars sold in September and number of cars still on the lots plus number of 04's still inbound. I don't expect incentives to get any worse, but if sales are strong in September, and the Pontiac bean counters think they can sell the rest of the 04's at the current rebate levels, then waiting just means you get stuck with the leftovers. My completely uneducated guess is that they will sell around 1500 in Sept and have about 3000-3500 left. That would take about 2-3 months and concide nicely with the 05 arrivals in December. Just a SWAG.

My next door neighbor just bought a new 2004 last weekend for 25k here in Nebraska. These cars are not moving like they thought and he said he just kept walking torward the door until they came down. I also know that new car dealers are really hungry the last week of the month to hit numbers to show the banks. 25k is as low as I have seen, this will kill the second hand market. I went for a ride in it and it is fast and nice, but they could have done alot more to make it more retro looking.

I think the main reason these cars are not selling well is because of two reasons. Limited advertising and exposure, and dealer practices. I finally made up my mind to purchase one after lenghthy debating even though this car has recieved nothing but bashing. I went to the first dealership Saturday and told the salesperson I thought I was ready to purchase one but I needed to test drive one first. They would not let me test drive it until AFTER I completed a contract. I tried to convince them that I was serious about buying and showed them my pre-approval from GMAC but still was not allowed to test drive even the Sales manager's demo. So I left that dealership, went to another (Lou Fusz in St Louis), was immediately offered a test drive and drove my new GTO home one hour later. This car is great and probably the best driving car I have ever owned. As others have said, styling is somewhat lacking but the driving experience more than attones for it.

Recent advertised prices here in the Detroit metro area are in the $24,800 range. This includes all rebates and GM employee discounts.

Gtoric, next time you see them advertised for that, shoot me an e-mail where the dealer is. I cannot seem to get the dealers around here to budge. They keep saying this is a rare care etc..

I sure like the 2005 but I have an offer for $25690 using GMAC finance. What do you think?

I've certainly seen plenty of ads for 5k off MSRP. If there are any dealers still holding on to the thought that this car is going to sell @ or above MSRP, they are crazy. The model year is OVER, and the calender year is soon to be history. How many 04's remain unsold as of right now? 30-40% of the 18k allotment? There are better deals yet to come. I mean what are they going to do, send them back to OZ?

I recently bought an 04 (red 6sp) after deciding the price was too attractive to wait for an 05. I love the car and have no regrets at all. It's fast enough for me as is, synchros are very good, exhaust sound is spot on perfect in my opinion. I paid 28,500. and then got the .9% for 36 months. Some deals may be better but I'm satisfied with the car and the deal. Paul