Judge chasis needs to go back together
 

I'm hopeing someone can point me in the correct direction. It has been years since our 69 Judge has been worked on, maybe 7? Frame is out from under car, sandblasted painted new bushing, the whole lot. The car has sat in this current condition for way too long and now work resumes. I am attempting to find information as to directions that fasteners go, location of washers etc. I promise that I am no moron, I just don't have a great memory. I do not expect someone to point out every location of every bolt washer and nut, but if someone knows of some good links that helped them I would be greatly appreciative. I am also considering purchasing a complete hardware kit, nuts bolts etc for the car, does anyone have suggestions as to whome I should purchase this from.

You might want to post specific questions here as they arise. There a number of people on this forum who have had a '69 Judge down to the bare frame and back, including myself. There are no dumb questions. I would also highly recommend getting a 1969 Pontiac factory service manual, a '69 Fisher Body Manual, and also the '69 GTO Assembly Manual.

Congratulations on getting back into the restoration. Keep the momentum going. We like questions here and we like photos.

I would get a chassis manual and factory service manual. There are some good bolt kits for sale on ebay. Ames and PY carry them as well. RPZ128A is the PY number for a bolt kit. Here are some photos that may help too.

http://s310.photobucket.com/albums/k.../69%20gto/

Good Luck, John

Sorry for this long post, but I am removing the undercoating from under my car and repainting the frame so this is on my mind.

We'll see how particular/crazy you are. Palmetto Enterprises sells manganese phosphate solution to refinish your bolts if you want to reuse them. You can bet that the bolt kit that you buy will contain bolts that do not match the head markings of your originals. There is an "exact repo" of the body mounting bolts and the rear end mounting bolts with the correct shaped head, but the head markings are numerous so matching your originals is unlikely--if you give a toot about this.

Here is their site in case you want to speak to Scott and ask him how to clean and refinish your orignal bolts:

http://www.palmettoenterprises.net/P...-Welcome-.html

He also sells zinc phosphate which gives a light gray color for things such as hood hinges.

And I don't think there is anything wrong with using repo bolts--especially if your originals are weakened from rust.

I have seen some of these repo bolts and decided to refinish my originals which are in good shape. My car's 2 rear body bolts are longer than the rest of the body bolts with an "O" in the middle which matches the "O" marking on the large bolts that mount the rear end's factory traction bars/upper bars. The remaining body bolts are shorter and have a large "A" with no other markings. (The 2 at the radiator support are plain bolts if I remember correctly.)

Also, the original rubber body mounts have quite a few markings--my lower ones have the 3-grooves in them with some paint on them and the uppers have part numbers in them. They look nice so I have left them--except for the 2 at the radiator support which are cracked and will need to be replaced. The repo's I have seen so far are slick rubber.

just some interesting (to me) info.

And ask more questions as you come to them. Someone will be able to help. Lord knows I have received lots of help!

Michael

These are all great suggestions and I am sure that I will be using them all. Thanks again for all the help thus far.

Diagram
 

Ok, so I have been going through the 69 Factory Service manual, as well as the Paul Z. restoration book, I have found some good info which will help to reduce any redundant questions I post on here. One item that I found was a great parts explosion of the front spindle, backing plate etc. which had numbers and identified length and description of the bolts and nuts, only issue is that it is for an earlier front drum car. Does anyone had any good exploded diagrams for front disc vehicles with associated bolt descriptions? Thanks again.

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