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doublejointedyabbie 11-02-2012 05:52 AM

PHS Document Question??
 
I've just recently purchased a unmolested, early production built 1970 Formula 400 (Build date 2/26/1970 ... interestingly the car has no Formula 400 Badges, nor does it show any signs of ever having badges fitted to the car? Any ideas?

Also, PHS documents are showing that the car was "consigned under bulletin agreement dated December, 23 1969." but I'm not too sure what this means? If anyone can shed some light that would be much appreciated..

Mike

GETRIDAONE 11-02-2012 06:27 AM

Post a copy of the PHS and someone here will be able to figure out what it means. Pictures are always good :)

doublejointedyabbie 11-02-2012 07:03 AM

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Copy of PHS docs attached :ausflag:

The Boss 11-02-2012 07:17 AM

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Same with mine, not sure if the badges were there or not it was 16 years ago when I owned it. Was yours a Van Nuys car? Does it have a metal tail panel? What does the underside of your hood look like? Bracing/no bracing, notches?

doublejointedyabbie 11-02-2012 07:28 AM

Firstly we just purchased the car from Texas, and currently at Restore a Muscle Car Nebraska, but I know it's a Van Nuys car .. hood no bracing but has notches .. not sure regarding tail panel...

muscle_collector 11-02-2012 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by The Boss (Post 4769328)
Same with mine, not sure if the badges were there or not it was 16 years ago when I owned it. Was yours a Van Nuys car? Does it have a metal tail panel? What does the underside of your hood look like? Bracing/no bracing, notches?

whos that young guy holding the baby?:D

Guilty 11-02-2012 09:44 AM

70 Formula:
 
Gary,
He looks like the construction worker from The Village People!!!!!!!

RicksGTO 11-02-2012 10:45 AM

what is the build date on the cowl tag? Maybe the car was built earlier and held for some reason since it has the verbage on the PHS about the consignment agreement. I think that agreement was for cars built prior to the official release date saying that the dealers were not supposed to show or sell the cars until the official release date.

The Boss 11-02-2012 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by muscle_collector (Post 4769350)
whos that young guy holding the baby?:D

A much younger and more naive version of me. ;)

The Boss 11-02-2012 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by muscle_collector (Post 4769350)
whos that young guy holding the baby?:D

A much younger and more naive version of me. ;)

I bought that 70 TA for $1,100 from the Buick Zone rep for Westchester county - it only had 38,000 miles on it but had been left outside. :doh:

doublejointedyabbie 11-02-2012 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RicksGTO (Post 4769438)
what is the build date on the cowl tag? Maybe the car was built earlier and held for some reason since it has the verbage on the PHS about the consignment agreement. I think that agreement was for cars built prior to the official release date saying that the dealers were not supposed to show or sell the cars until the official release date.

The car was sold new from Don Turpin Pontiac CA, Protecto Plate has a date 02-26-70. It is in storage till next year, for the Bandit Run, so I can't physically check the cowl tag right now .. Interesting about the agreement ..The missing forumal badges are still a mystery?

The Boss 11-02-2012 05:31 PM

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There has been some talk of the missing badges here on the board, but I'm not sure where to look for them. That car I had has now been restored by the guy I sold it to, with a bazillion options added and the emblems are on it now. What kind of mirrors are on your car - body colored sport ones or the chrome one? Mine was chrome.

Held for Ransom 11-02-2012 05:52 PM

http://www.forums.maxperformanceinc....d.php?t=696395

Yours must be an early car too. What is the date shipped from PHS?

doublejointedyabbie 11-02-2012 06:18 PM

my mirrors are body colour sports ... yes it is an early date built car .. ship date 02-1970, date of draft 03-18-70, date of execution 02-26-70 ... still has original walnut gear stick knob ..

keith k 11-02-2012 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Held for Ransom (Post 4769798)
http://www.forums.maxperformanceinc....d.php?t=696395

Yours must be an early car too. What is the date shipped from PHS?

Is the car that's the subject of this post the same as in the link above?
I seem to recall seeing it for sale in Texas recently... pretty original car with a nose that had been chewed on by prior owner's dog?

doublejointedyabbie 11-02-2012 10:19 PM

Nose cone was chewed by a dog, but not sure about the link above.If anyone has more information about this car it would be great know.

muscle_collector 11-02-2012 10:26 PM

:D
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Originally Posted by Guilty (Post 4769402)
Gary,
He looks like the construction worker from The Village People!!!!!!!

:D

johnta1 11-02-2012 10:38 PM

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I wonder if it's because they wanted to make sure none were sold/shown before the Norwood Firebirds?

My early Formula doesn't have that written on it, but it's a Norwood car.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...1&d=1351910388

:)

RicksGTO 11-02-2012 11:19 PM

just remembered this post, my first GTO had the "consigned to..." wording on the PHS that I ordered a few years back. My friend Rick that replied about halfway down the page is a long time GM employee and explained it pretty well: http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=492441

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keith k 11-03-2012 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by doublejointedyabbie (Post 4769986)
Nose cone was chewed by a dog, but not sure about the link above.If anyone has more information about this car it would be great know.

Same car then. It was on eBay a few months ago and the seller had claimed that really early Formulas didn't have the Formula 400 badges on the fenders. I had never heard that before, so was asking if anyone else here had heard or observed that.

It seems no one else can really confirm it, either, so my sense is that maybe this car just inadvertently got built without them (or lost them at some point in its life). Since it was an early build car, there was probably a greater chance of this sort of assembly line mistake (the mistake would probably have been that it got the wrong fenders, so no holes for the emblem when it came time to put the emblem on ....).


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