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JohnJudge 12-31-2012 11:30 AM

Special Order axle
 
Got a question.... I have an unusual 1970 Ram Air III, bench seat 4 speed GTO. It has a code 361 HD safe-t-track rear on the build sheet. Also has code 362 for special order axle. The rear in the car is the only thing non-original... how could I tell gear ratio from the factory? I am guessing either 3.90 or 4.33??

Held for Ransom 12-31-2012 11:58 AM

Build sheet or PHS invoicing?

JohnJudge 12-31-2012 12:02 PM

I have both.... Unfortunately, the build sheet is rough and missing that part

Held for Ransom 12-31-2012 12:08 PM

I want to say, 3.90:1.

bigborehunter 12-31-2012 12:45 PM

If you believe the u joint shaft is original, careful cleaning of it may reveal stripe daub codes. These usually contain the gear ratio as well. Have to be careful what you use to clean the u joint shaft though. Someone will chime in here with suggestions.

JohnJudge 12-31-2012 01:16 PM

Thanks for the info!

GTO JOHN 12-31-2012 02:03 PM

What was the transmission code? If it was a wide ratio M20 that would rule out 4.33 gears. Pretty sure you needed the M21 for those.

'ol Pinion head 12-31-2012 02:30 PM

factory speedo adapter present?

JohnJudge 12-31-2012 02:38 PM

It is a M21 on the original build sheet

Baron Von Zeppelin 12-31-2012 04:10 PM

3.90 or 4.33 - both got the M21
3.55 was standard gear, and the break point for M20

Only the Buildsheet will tell which was ordered.
Same charge on invoice for either set.
Automatics were the only ones that got speedo adapters - and the Invoice would show a charge for the adapter.

From examples, about 90-95% of D-Port cars with Spec Axle have been 3.90
But 4.33's were just as available , just not as often chosen.
HD Radiator was requisite either way.

Which plant was it built at ?
I'll try to post a similar plant sheet that is easy to read and maybe it "might" could help make a better observation of your sheet.

JohnJudge 12-31-2012 04:30 PM

BVZ, it was built at the Baltimore plant. Yes, it does have HD radiator too.

Thanks for your help!

muscle_collector 12-31-2012 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baron Von Zeppelin (Post 4817835)
3.90 or 4.33 - both got the M21
3.55 was standard gear, and the break point for M20

Only the Buildsheet will tell which was ordered.
Same charge on invoice for either set.
Automatics were the only ones that got speedo adapters - and the Invoice would show a charge for the adapter.

From examples, about 90-95% of D-Port cars with Spec Axle have been 3.90
But 4.33's were just as available , just not as often chosen.
HD Radiator was requisite either way.

Which plant was it built at ?
I'll try to post a similar plant sheet that is easy to read and maybe it "might" could help make a better observation of your sheet.

why did the auto only get them??

Baron Von Zeppelin 12-31-2012 08:26 PM

Think it was due to more limited combos with their speedo gear sets.
All Auto D-Port with Spec Axle, and Auto IV (3.90 gear std) with or without Spec Axle , that i have invoices on - all show the adapter.

None of the Manual cars i have invoices on show an adapter with D-Port Spec Axle , or IV.

idunno what they did about that issue on 68 RA Auto cars.
maybe the adapter was issued - but at no-cost (?)

Baron Von Zeppelin 12-31-2012 08:28 PM

John, i'll post back in a while with one or more Bsheets from 70 Baltimore.

Held for Ransom 12-31-2012 08:49 PM

I think it had to do with the size of the drive gear fitting in the tailshaft.

Baron Von Zeppelin 01-01-2013 01:18 AM

3 Attachment(s)
Here's a Ram3 4spd 3.90
Ram4 Auto 3.90
Ram4 4spd 3.90

All are 70 Baltimore
Marked pertinents with Lime Green
3.90 code is X K
4.33 code is X M

Hope you have enough left in one of the areas to work with.
Holding up to a lamp with good reading glasses or magnifier can help too.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...9&d=1357017467

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...0&d=1357017484

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...1&d=1357017491

'ol Pinion head 01-01-2013 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Held for Ransom (Post 4818113)
I think it had to do with the size of the drive gear fitting in the tailshaft.

Believe HFR is correct. Need to examine drive gears from never been messed with original Muncies in front of 3.90 & 4.33 of '69 or 70 G70-14 equipped GTO's.

Believe we will find the drive gear in 4.33 car is a 6 tooth. Its been over 15 years since went down this road, but that is what I ran across. An original 3.90 equipped car ought to be a little easier to find to confirm tooth count. 7 tooth, 8 tooth?


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