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TA455HO 07-15-2014 10:15 PM

1971 Norwood resurrection
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 68bird400HO (Post 5234822)
Nice.. an original car that can maybe offer up some info....

Does your radiator still have the tag?
Can you tell what the tank codes are?
If your shroud is original too, which one is it, the 114 or the 086?

This is a 1971 Norwood car that I picked up about 19 years ago. Numbers matching on everything except the starter. I need some motivation to pick it back up and finish it. Some things got a bit off track and I could use some words of advice if you guys are willing. Let me know if you are tired of build threads and pictures.

No tag on the radiator, but could this have been part of it? I didn't notice this bit has some numbers stamped on it until I looked at this picture. Anyone know what they indicate, if anything? It is uneven along the right edge and looks like something broke off of it.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psxcuxambe.jpg

One tank has CV, with a little E in between. I never knew where to look until recently. The letters sure don't initially stand out and I thought the radiator was probably not original so I paid little attention to it all this time.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psuyymjo3a.jpg

Other tank is IF

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psy6beozsv.jpg

It is a 3 row core but I can't get a good picture through the hose connections but you can tell it is thinner than your average 4 core radiator. The overflow hose is not great but still has the 3 ribs running down the side of it.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psjvtctarj.jpg

Radiator shroud is 086. Dirty/dusty but in decent condition.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psnul0tqec.jpg

Hose retainer is still intact and tabs are all there.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...pskf25fnx9.jpg

Has those mold marks on the top trailing edge that some have talked about.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psgqlgqtkd.jpg

How do I freshen the shroud without messing with the marks? Anyone deal with that before?

Shaker drain hose was even still there. Some marks on the bottom portion, but all there and still very pliable.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps0mtrwrlq.jpg

72TAMAN 07-15-2014 10:34 PM

New thread please with lots of pictures.

TA455HO 07-16-2014 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 72TAMAN (Post 5234999)
New thread please with lots of pictures.

Thanks Man! I see what I can do about pictures.

Might as well document some of this stuff up front.

VIN 228871N103459

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps7af4sldv.jpg

Build date 09A - 201 trim - 11 paint

The build date will probably explain some things so I thought it would be good to mention up front.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps1nfak8bs.jpg

Hidden VIN stamp

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psgg3ljw4u.jpg

WC block with C048516 engine unit number

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...d/DSC00306.jpg

Partial VIN stamp on engine block

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psqohlwc0f.jpg

Partial VIN stamp on good old M22 rockcrusher transmission. Also shows it is Muncie (P) destined for a 1971 Production Car (1) August (M) 25th (25) M22 (C)

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psgc8i7sed.jpg

The underneath side of the intake manifold has a date of 8-6-70 (August 6th, 1970).

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psxktgywox.jpg

483674 intake. It has a plug in that one hole that I need to remove or have removed.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psyx62lkux.jpg

Nice crisp Winters logo

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...pseeniq3ww.jpg

Here is the top side of the clutch and brake pedal support bracket assembly that attaches to the instrument panel support. 8 5 70 date (August 5th, 1970). I know some of these are obvious.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps3qawtbr3.jpg

I've had the 1971 assembly manual for a number of years now because Year One offered it fairly early on. What got me initially about the 3991763 part number is it did not agree with the assembly manual which says the Bracket Assembly is 3996355. But, up in the upper right hand corner is those pesky hand written notes and there it has the 3991763 part number. Looks like they changed to the new part number on 9/10/70 if I'm reading that correctly. Anyway, obviously they were using the older part number in the first part of August.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...sc9c2619c.jpeg

johnta1 07-16-2014 07:31 AM

Awesome stuff!

Do you know the date code on the block?

I think we had a thread on the radiator tanks code somewhere here on PY.
(I think HFR had some good info on them)

I'll see if I can find it if someone doesn't post first.

Very cool thread.

:)

'ol Pinion head 07-16-2014 08:20 AM

IF is the correct lh tank code for a 4 core. IA was the 3 core lh tank used. CV is the code for a rh man trans tank, either 3 core or 4 core. Your rh tank has the letter E embossed & that signifies the tank was made in May, usually the radiator is assembled same month or slightly afterwards. The shroud i would have to ck my originals. Bill posted a chart for 70 model shrouds last week.

I'm in need of a CV coded rh tank for one of my longtime projects if anyone reads this & has an extra. Cash buyer or possible trade for what you need.

The Boss 07-16-2014 08:38 AM

Any chance you have a whole picture of the topic car?

Subscribing.

TA455HO 07-16-2014 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'ol Pinion head (Post 5235141)
IF is the correct lh tank code for a 4 core. IA was the 3 core lh tank used. CV is the code for a rh man trans tank, either 3 core or 4 core. Your rh tank has the letter E embossed & that signifies the tank was made in May, usually the radiator is assembled same month or slightly afterwards. The shroud i would have to ck my originals. Bill posted a chart for 70 model shrouds last week.

I'm in need of a CV coded rh tank for one of my longtime projects if anyone reads this & has an extra. Cash buyer or possible trade for what you need.

Oh. Ok. So that is IA. Thought it was an F but it is leaning a bit and now that I know it should be an A that's what it looks like more than an F.

Thanks Roger.

I was IM'ing with Telly last night and the conversation went like this -

Chad: CV is one rad tank. What this other tank? I see an "I" and something else.
Telly: F
Chad: Ah, I was upside down to it. Yep.

So, thought from that it must be an F from the conversation. But, at first I thought it was VI as I was reading it upside down. Flip the V over and you have the makings of an A.

TA455HO 07-16-2014 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Boss (Post 5235152)
Any chance you have a whole picture of the topic car?

Subscribing.

Before or now? When I first bought it in 1996 it looked like this. That is me with my hand on the car and my buddy Tim looking on. A little less hair now but mostly the same. I mean me, not the car...

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...hp?albumid=251

RamAir 07-16-2014 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TA455HO (Post 5235188)
Before or now? When I first bought it in 1996 it looked like this. That is me with my hand on the car and my buddy Tim looking on. A little less hair now but mostly the same. I mean me, not the car...

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...hp?albumid=251

Subscribed, very cool...link no worke

TA455HO 07-16-2014 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnta1 (Post 5235113)
Awesome stuff!

Do you know the date code on the block?

I think we had a thread on the radiator tanks code somewhere here on PY.
(I think HFR had some good info on them)

I'll see if I can find it if someone doesn't post first.

Very cool thread.

:)

Thanks John.

I had to go look at the block this morning to make sure I didn't misstate this. It is simply H31. Roger said this in a PM to me from some time ago. He said N104xxx build without knowing my VIN at the time, which is not 4xxx but 3459. Pretty got dang close.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'ol Pinion head
WC (048516 H31 lines up with what I have for a N104xxx build. I do not have a bunch of engine info on early (pre strike) WC builds out of Norwood.

Of interest, H31 is the only date cast, I've run across that skipped the 0 for year cast.

As far as dates cast,
H240, H260, H280, H300 (a Sunday! personally examined this block & wrote it down) H31, I010, I020, I040, I080 have all been documented as late August early Sept 483637 455 block casting dates. I100 also may have been used (trying to confirm with a better pic).


TA455HO 07-16-2014 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ramair (Post 5235223)
Subscribed, very cool...link no worke

Can you try again? I didn't realize I had my album set to private... D'oh!

Thanks

72projectbird 07-16-2014 11:15 AM

The link works now. As rough as it looks in the pics, it looks like a great car!

2manyT/A'S 07-16-2014 01:53 PM

Well,Chad....it's about time you dusted that one off..............

Last month I started tinkering on a 72 that I bought back in 89........hadn't started it in years.......a bit of TLC and it lit right up....just like I shut it off a month ago......

Did you wanna have a RACE to see who gets done FIRST? :D

TA455HO 07-16-2014 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 72projectbird (Post 5235253)
The link works now. As rough as it looks in the pics, it looks like a great car!

Thanks for checking that link. Stuff always works for yourself but you never know how it might break for someone else. Car body was pretty rough. Guy was going to make it into an Autocross car but he decided to go with a Corvette instead.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2manyT/A'S (Post 5235347)
Well,Chad....it's about time you dusted that one off..............

Last month I started tinkering on a 72 that I bought back in 89........hadn't started it in years.......a bit of TLC and it lit right up....just like I shut it off a month ago......

Did you wanna have a RACE to see who gets done FIRST? :D

A favorite expression

'problem with engaging in useless activity is never knowing when your done'

And I can't even see the finish line from here...yet!

What's the plan for the '72? Full restoration or ??

72projectbird 07-16-2014 07:16 PM

Thank God the car never got turned into an AutoX car. Leave that to the Firebirds and Esprits :D

Pepi 07-16-2014 08:18 PM

I am not tired of build threads or pictures. Go for it!!

keith k 07-16-2014 09:12 PM

Looking forward to seeing some progress!

2manyT/A'S 07-16-2014 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TA455HO (Post 5235353)

What's the plan for the '72? Full restoration or ??

Well................long story short.......I actually started working on TWO 72's (at the same time......) recently

The one I just lit,was a driver that I took apart for body and paint before the turn of the century......was going to color change it...(11 to 26).... and stalled.....it's an auto...saddle interior...with one of those funny tape decks.....:D

The other one I bought in Jan 2000...in pieces....code 11...black standard interior, M22 and rear console.....

Didn't really have a direction on EITHER until a month ago.....

The automatic car will remain true to invoice/cowl tag......and the stick will be color changed to 26....(couldn't find a decent,affordable blue one to buy....so I'm gonna make one!)

Both cars will be built to "detailed driver" level......

I don't have the time or patience for building perfectly restored cars..(OR thinking that I do.......and am tired of ones that don't run or drive....:old:

Interesting sidenote.......Both of them were built in late Sept/71 and the VIN's are 12 #'s apart......likely were in sight of each other on the assembly line......now they sit on my assembly line....side by each....waiting to get put back together again....42 years later...

Sorry to "jack" your thread....but you DID ask......:focus:

NOW....can we talk about my truck? :D

TA455HO 07-17-2014 12:02 AM

Sounds like a lot of cars there. Don't know how you do it. Lol.

Continuing on....

Engine block cast date - H31 as mentioned previously.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...pscivxgfpi.jpg

Engine block part number - 483677

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psenf74y3j.jpg

One of my own personal favorite numbers

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psgoag3gbg.jpg

Crossover is in nice shape. One ding in the top sheild. Dated either 6 30 70 or 8 30 70. Really hard to tell even with some china marker on there.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...pspv5gx7va.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psdri1st4q.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psyjkusexa.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psdhwql6uv.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psr48eyeld.jpg


Distributor already refresh by our very own 70RAIII. It's a 1112073 - 0 G 7 (July 7, 1970). A Tuesday?

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psuzoljowf.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psvnfl4mk2.jpg


Carburetor is 7041267 - XB - 2080 - 208th day of 1970 (July 27, 1970), which was apparently a Monday?

Still has the rubber gasket around the float bowl vent.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...ps6nhhzhvr.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...pshwxpevrq.jpg

Alternator is going back together - 1100927 0 H 7 (August 7, 1970). A Friday unless Siri is lying to me.

If you look close at the trio-diode it has 3 lines of print on it. Not sure about first line, but 528 is partial part number and third line is date code - 0 G 31 (July 31, 1970). Also a Friday.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psxhiapxwn.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...pswubxcobb.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psyc9cjy1q.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...pszpcrlxsx.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...pscbwnc2jt.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psuac8gs2e.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...pspgt28mrv.jpg

Coil is a 424 B-R - Ohms out good and no buldging in the bottom so hopefully it produces a spark still.

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psl21twndd.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psxfxzimrf.jpg

http://i636.photobucket.com/albums/u...psnzspnig5.jpg

Judge273 07-17-2014 06:55 AM

Very cool pix.

Love that a early 71 is being documented.

Early block date H31 missing the year?


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