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68ragtop 04-23-2017 02:10 PM

Wheel wells & the vacuum canister
 
I have repop wheel wells for my 68. I had put the originals in storage so I knew where the vacuum can, wiper fluid bottle, & rubber flaps get installed.

So today, I dug them out of storage & it appears I saved the ones from my parts car which did not have hideaways. So, I need to figure out were the vacuum can originally went. I know approximately, just not exactly.

Interestingly I found two small indents in the old wheel wells that do appear to line up with the original can & bracket. Can anyone confirm if all the wheel wells had those dimples for the canister bracket? It makes sense from a production standpoint, but before I drill holes, I thought I would check with you guys.

68ragtop 04-24-2017 08:15 AM

Just to close the thread, I measured things & the dimples are in fact for the canister. Interestingly the repop wells have the bottom hole, & its "close" to the factory location, but no top hole. Got figured out now. :)

north 04-25-2017 12:27 PM

My 69 LeMans has the dimples so I would imagine they all did.

north 04-25-2017 12:36 PM

There are two substantially different tubs variations, some have the stapled on lower rubber skirt at the back and others have an extended design with the steel coming lower down and no rubber add on. Not sure if its early-late, a plant thing or even a 68vs69 thing.

68ragtop 04-25-2017 02:28 PM

I wonder where I can get the staples that hold them in place. They are an incredibly strong wire staple, only 1/2" across. I will drill the holes, but need to find a replacement for those. Not sure if our host has those or not.

Greg Reid 04-25-2017 02:54 PM

Here 'ya go...
https://secure.amesperf.com/qilan/De...A&web_access=Y

68ragtop 04-30-2017 08:30 PM

So, my plan was to pre drill & hand install the staples, after I paint the housings. Did you just bend your staple ends over? What did you do?

68ragtop 04-30-2017 08:36 PM

These wheel wells also have two extra 1/2" holes across from the holes that secure them to the top of the fender. No clue why those would be there. Going to weld them in.

Gtozy 05-01-2017 06:50 AM

any chance you could post a pic of the location for the canister?

68ragtop 05-01-2017 06:55 AM

Do you have original wheel wells? The dimples should be there for the bracket, drivers side opposite location of the wiper washer bottle, but closer to the fender. My fender wells are not in the car yet, but I could give you some measurements if you need them.

charles bledsoe 05-01-2017 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 68ragtop (Post 5733129)
These wheel wells also have two extra 1/2" holes across from the holes that secure them to the top of the fender. No clue why those would be there. Going to weld them in.

Could those holes be for the wire harness holder (not sure of the nomenclature) that holds the engine harness secure on top of the inner fender (wheel well)?

68ragtop 05-01-2017 07:11 AM

I'll take a picture later on. the are symmetrical with the two large 1/2" holes that secure the top of the fender to the fender. It does have the wire harness holes & they are in the correct location. These wells, are very much like the originals & fit very good. The just have too many holes :)

68ragtop 05-01-2017 07:14 AM

I found a picture thanks to google!

Here you can see all four holes. My originals only have the two near the inside edge.

I could use plastic plugs like the one used in the opposite side battery tray mount thats not used.
But for the life of me I can't see a purpose for these.


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tekheavy 05-01-2017 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by 68ragtop (Post 5733129)
These wheel wells also have two extra 1/2" holes across from the holes that secure them to the top of the fender. No clue why those would be there. Going to weld them in.

That's exactly what I did when I replaced mine. Did it with the wheelwells on the car. Wasn't too hard. My fender also still has the mounts for the vacuum canister still in place if that helps you. My car has been modified with an electric actuator to control the hideaway doors but the vacuum canister mounts are still there.

68ragtop 05-01-2017 07:55 AM

I found dimples in another set of wells that I was hanging on to for reference (primarily for the water shield locations) didn't realize they had dimples for the canister. worked out perfect. makes sense they would be there for assembly purposes. I am adding power windows to my car from another 68. all the dimples were they for the wire boots, etc. made it easy to locate :)

Did you fill in the extra hole in the rearward bottom of the of the left fender well? the originals had a hole on the right side, but not the left. it was unused & no clue what its for. After markets have a hole on both sides. The holes are close to the two body mount holes, but closer to the lower tops of the water shields.

68ragtop 05-01-2017 07:57 AM

Kinda makes me wonder if those top holes are used for sheet metal alignment for the press that makes these? seems so odd that the extra holes in the top exist.

Greg Reid 05-01-2017 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 68ragtop (Post 5733121)
So, my plan was to pre drill & hand install the staples, after I paint the housings. Did you just bend your staple ends over? What did you do?

Yep, that's what I did. VERY tedious, surprisingly so. :cry:

north 05-01-2017 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 68ragtop (Post 5733129)
These wheel wells also have two extra 1/2" holes across from the holes that secure them to the top of the fender. No clue why those would be there. Going to weld them in.

They are for different models (like the Grand Prix that have wider hoods and narrower fenders. I imagine that the upper portion of those tubs are used on several models across GM and only the out edging was unique to fit specific models to match fender contours. Often the dies for parts like this are actually a series of partial dies that bolt together so that different variations of similar parts can be made without complete separate tooling.

68ragtop 05-01-2017 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by north (Post 5733541)
They are for different models (like the Grand Prix that have wider hoods and narrower fenders. I imagine that the upper portion of those tubs are used on several models across GM and only the out edging was unique to fit specific models to match fender contours. Often the dies for parts like this are actually a series of partial dies that bolt together so that different variations of similar parts can be made without complete separate tooling.

That makes sense!

68ragtop 05-01-2017 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Reid (Post 5733433)
Yep, that's what I did. VERY tedious, surprisingly so. :cry:

So did you leave the staples with the galvanized coating, or did you paint over them after install? Guessing the trick will be bending them over without marring up the paint. have any picts by chance?


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