identify 1970 jack assembly?
 

At the risk of overlapping with another thread (I seem to recall looking in the past for this with no real good result);

Can someone help me positively identify a 1970 Firebird jack assembly?

Are there years that the components look the same (but have different date codes) - that could have been sold as service replacements had the original gone missing?

I have been meaning to empty my trunk, and was going to look at the jack parts I have - I know I scrounged functional replacements in the past, but am doubting that what I have is all correct.

And incase you were wondering, yes, I did use my bumper jack in the past to raise my car for tire changes.

I found THIS thread, post's #30 & #31 seem to show Van Nuys jacks, with not date codes...

Thanks in advance for speaking up!!

Here are some pictures I took of my 1970 Formula 400. I bought it in 1982 with low miles, around 50K I think, from the original owner. The car had poverty caps with steel wheels. I am pretty sure the jack was original. It even still had the two large rubber bands that held the tire tool in place.

Check post 64 of that thread. I did find that the VN jacks are date coded on the mast.

giving this a monday morning bump;

First, Mike - thank you for sharing that.
Do you have any reason to believe that the mechanism, base, or tire iron were repainted?
I ask because I had understood them to be blue - earlier 70's jacks being a darker shade, and later 70's jacks being something more akin to a corporate blue.

'68bird';
Thanks, I did read that thread, but was still left scratching my head a bit;
I had understood, and recalled 1971 jacks as having a "Y" (or "T") shaped cross section for the shaft;
I read that thread through and understood that the hinged style jack mechanism was a Van Nuys thing, but was still a little unclear on what, if any, cues there are for a correct-for-1970-Norwood Firebird jack might be.

Here are the only pictures from that thread of a conclusively 1970-Norwood jack:

mechanism:
http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...8&d=1239339690
the base for (on the far left):
http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...7&d=1239339667

This is purported to be a 1973 jack:
http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...6&d=1165165811
It looks like a near dead ringer for the 1970 jack.

I am also reading lengths between 34.5" & 36.5" as correct;
In addition to that I am also reading that there are no date codes for 1970 jacks anywhere, but that there are date codes for other years;
The thread does suggest that 1970 Camaro jacks are the same, and I was certain that I read '70 Camaro owners saying that their jacks had assembly date stamps;
Can anyone tell me if there is a date stamp on the base or mechanism, where would they be, and how would it decode?
(regardless as to the year of manufacture)

In conclusion, it reads to me that 1970 Norwood, as well as 1972-1973 Norwood jacks are essentially the same parts, but the 1972/1973 jacks will have dates;

If I am correct on this, can I get confirmation on the correct for 1970 vs 1972/1973 jack shaft length?

In my business of my weekend, I never got around to cleaning out my trunk to see what I have... but I will shortly.

All of the jacks are dated as far back as 1968 and maybe further. Jack length for 70-71 birds is 33.5 to almost 35.0. Usually they are 34.5. From what I have seen, A-bodies used the same jacks.

The 70 Norwood jack is dated on the rivet where the wrench goes in. You can see it in the picture "0C" = March 70. The bases for these jacks were also dated for 68-70 with a U68, U69, or U70 on top in front of the mast hole. It is on the one in the picture but hard to see.

The 1971 Norwood Y jacks are dated on mechanism near the Up/Down lever.

The VN jacks are dated on the bottom of the mast. These jacks were used for all models, with the large cars having longer heavier versions.

These same jacks were used across others makes as well. Camaros would have the same jacks, by plant, as birds etc.

/\ this is pure gold!

Thank you very much!!

I no longer own the car, but I don't remember seeing any evidence they were ever blue.

I bought it in 1982 from the original owner with only about 50K miles. It had been repainted once due to their son running into the front fender with a large garden tractor. It was not a restoration, and there was no evidence the trunk had been repainted.

I want to say the original wheels were black and the photos were taken after I painted it around 1989 or so.

I can't guarantee it was original to the car, but this thing was bone stock down to the original AM radio and poverty caps.

Well I can say without question they are , were and always will be blue. Maybe some one slipped a Camaro jack in at the factory. June 1970 jack and a great table cloth

ok;
So I went out to the garage last night and dug everything out of my trunk;
This is what I have:

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...1&d=1548176514

I could find no numbers on rivets, and could find nothing other than a single "A" on the base.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...1&d=1548176514 http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...1&d=1548176514


I am guessing that none of this is 1970, or 72/73, and to make matters worse I haven't a hot clue from where, or what I got this.
I am guessing this was found in the trunk of an older GM car, and I kept it because it fit my jack holder perfectly...
I have never repainted any of these parts.
I am guessing for now that although at a glance it appears to be correct, but that this is actually incorrect for my car/year.

btw the tire iron is blue, but it has been used, so a great deal of the paint has been chiped/flaked off.

Can anyone help me deduce what this is from - or the year?

I aspire to have everything correct for my car, and before I created this thread, it occured to me that I was not sure what I had;
Think of it this way;
If I were to attend the TA Nats, or Pontiac Nationals, I would hope to have as few deductions for incorrect equipment as possible...

My pride and joy virgin 72 jack. I need to paint a beater one I have so it never get's used.

The old jack thread focused only on 70-71. With bird72's data point and the picture of unruhjonny's jack showing a 2C8 stamped in the mechanism, it makes me think that is the date code...March 8, 1972.

Bird72...does your jack have a date stamp there and if so, how does it compare to your trim tag date?

Anthony - thank you so very much for sharing that picture!!

Before '68 posted, I was thinking to myself - crap - that's a dead ringer for what I have!!

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...fc7aef8edb.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...1c15c75fff.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...8fd55e8019.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f04abe1bdb.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...8b0e7665c9.jpg

This is they jack I picked up a few years back. Seller wrote on it first 70 Pontiac, then added 72. It does not seem to match up with any other pics in this thread. Any opinions on its year?


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Its dated 1K = Oct 71 for a 72 model year. The mechanism a mast are the same style as the 70 Norwood jack but the base looks correct for 72. I have seen this style most often. Looks like there could be a few versions for 72. It would be interesting to see bird72s date code and car build date.

I think that one of the variables that many overlook is the multiple supplier aspect;
The assembly manual I recently recieved shows multiple suppliers, much like how the 'CL' wheels I was chasing could come from one of three suppliers.

So Anthony's posted jack his original part which matches mine exactly (and mine has a different date stamp location and style) - but both these 1972 jacks differs from this one;
this one has the same rivet date style as the 70-71, but lacks the markings of Anthony's (and my) jack.

I would wholly agree that the rivet date stamp puts it as a 1972 model year part - albeit an earlier unit than mine, and possibly from a different supplier than ours.

What’s the status of your car’s restoration? Must be getting close to finished if you are at the point of getting the correct jack identified. That’s exciting. Share some pictures.

I don’t want to hijack this thread, but yes I am on the final lap of the restoration. Gardner exhaust installed, drive train complete, rad and core support installed,dash installed, all electrical circuits tested and functional.side glass installed and adjusted. Hopefully this week seat belts get installed, rear seat lowers, front buckets. Not too far away from inner outer fender install, hood and nose, then the final adjustment!!! I am getting really motivated... Steve


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And yes I guess I need a correct jack assembly...


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Here is the 72 Firebird jack I have right now. It does fit in my 1970 trunk mounting brackets. I will use this if I can n ot find a correct 70 jack.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...40723dc101.jpg
I dug out the jack I have had for a long time in my 66 GTO. Here is it compared to my 72 Fbody jack:
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...dfe568c882.jpg
Note the hook and pad angle difference between the two.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...fcfc9ab79e.jpg
Also see the mast size difference. The trapezoid cross section of the body jack is smaller than the GTO jack. I will post in the correct forum, but does anyone think what I am calling my GTO jack is remotely correct for a 66 GTO?


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Bringing up old thread from a search I did. One of my TA's is very original, but the jack has been refinished. My main concern was the shade of blue used to repaint it. It seems like a different shade of blue from what "I think" I remember.
Knowing what I know about the history of the car I do believe it's the original jack. 0D date code on the rivet head, U70 on the base.