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BLACK 67 GOAT 07-08-2019 02:23 PM

PUSHROD SNAPPED IN HALF
 
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Anyone ever have a pushrod snap in half? What would cause this to happen?

mysticmissle 07-08-2019 03:31 PM

bad geometry and push rod flex. what head and rocker ratio? guide plates correct? Is this a new combo or making changes?

Mike Davis 07-08-2019 03:42 PM

What Brand?
Wall Thickness?
Spring Pressure?
more info needed......

BLACK 67 GOAT 07-08-2019 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by mysticmissle (Post 6039089)
bad geometry and push rod flex. what head and rocker ratio? guide plates correct? Is this a new combo or making changes?

69 Ram air iv heads, 1.5 ratio exhaust 1.65 intake. No guide plates, t & d shaft rockers. Only change was 1.65 rockers on the intake. Exhaust is what broke. Pushrods have about 100 passes on them. I've never seen one break like this without being bent at all.

mysticmissle 07-09-2019 07:11 PM

Did you stack the spring? Should be straight forward as you assumed. Unless the push rd is hitting the head and forcing it out of normal geometry. Then the leverage would snap it.

BLACK 67 GOAT 07-09-2019 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Davis (Post 6039090)
What Brand?
Wall Thickness?
Spring Pressure?
more info needed......

.116 WALL 5/16 O.D.
PAC 1243 I think 240 on the seat and around 650 open

BLACK 67 GOAT 07-09-2019 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mysticmissle (Post 6039348)
Did you stack the spring? Should be straight forward as you assumed. Unless the push rd is hitting the head and forcing it out of normal geometry. Then the leverage would snap it.

I'm not sure I know what you mean. What is stack the spring?

Jack Gifford 07-10-2019 02:12 AM

That's a lot of spring for 5/16" pushrods. Just sayin'.

steve25 07-10-2019 07:16 AM

Well it does not look bent at all, atleast from your photo so you might just chalk it up to a defective tube section with a internal stress point, but still 650 psi open with 5/16" Rods is not something good to do I would say!

Half-Inch Stud 07-10-2019 07:40 AM

Suspect a Tight Valve Guide

tom s 07-10-2019 10:03 AM

RA IV heads came with 11/32 pushrods as I remember.I know your 5/16 are heavy wall but as stated too much spring for them.Tom

unruhjonny 07-10-2019 12:02 PM

wow!

I would expect to see at least some bending - but that looks like a clean snap!?

I have bent one when a valve stuck on me, and have a second bent one I pulled from a grenaded engine - but have never seen a clean break like that before!

I wonder if Steve nailed it?

EDIT: I just noticed Tom's reply...

BLACK 67 GOAT 07-10-2019 12:28 PM

Thanks for all the replies. I agree, I need some larger pushrods. I may try to get some tapered 3/8" in there or 11/32" at the very least. I may be wrong but I think 11/32 would be around 20% to 25% stronger than the 5/16".

tom s 07-10-2019 01:28 PM

11/32 are had to find,I think I got mine from Manton?Tom

Steve C. 07-10-2019 02:39 PM

If you were to build a 5/16 pushrod and a 3/8 pushrod at the same length and same wall thickness diameter the difference in column strength is 96.7 percent different.

This according to Manton.


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AG 07-11-2019 07:32 AM

Do you run a stud girdle?

Half-Inch Stud 07-11-2019 08:25 AM

Buckling Anslyses separates the Mech Eng men from the boys.

When i lost an EXH pushrod it "Z"'d into 3 straight pieces. i think the CYL head prevented the high end from bowing.

Suppose you could end up with a clean 2- piece snap. As it bowed and broke at the place of maximal bow. But no constraint by the Head

BLACK 67 GOAT 07-11-2019 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AG (Post 6039776)
Do you run a stud girdle?

No girdle, shaft rockers.

BLACK 67 GOAT 07-11-2019 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tom s (Post 6039643)
11/32 are had to find,I think I got mine from Manton?Tom

Talked to Al at Manton. He is very knowledgeable. He said that their 5 series 11/32 are about 42% stronger than the heavy wall 5/16 I have in there now. I ordered a set yesterday.


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