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Bill Hanlon 12-03-2021 11:06 AM

Hydramatic question for SteveP
 
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I have an internet friend who is putting back together a dual-range Hydramatic that is original to his 1954 GMC half ton truck. Here is his concern ....

Two of the six springs in the torus cover are tight and 4 springs are loose. I believe that the springs should be tight so I will need to replace 4 of the springs if I can. I have looked at my manuals and do not see a part number for the springs does anyone know what the part number is or what the spring specs are so that I can find a replacement? Has anyone replaced these springs? If so what is the best method to do so as it is not covered in the manual. Searches on Youtube have not been real helpful on this so far, but I hope someone has had the pleasure of doing this.

... and a picture below.

None of the springs are broken. My response was ...

No hands on experience, but I seem to remember some of the springs are loose and provide sort of a "progressive" engagement. Are the two tight springs opposite each other? MPB does not list a part number for the springs.

He responded that the tight springs were opposite of each other and ,,,

Taking a closer look at the springs in the Torus cover and they are not all made the same. So the idea of them having different loads is sound, but still not sure if they are suppose to be loose. It is good to know that they are not all made the same implying that some of them failed and are loose. Now just need to determine if the loose springs are by design (progressive) or if they are to be tight and have failed.

Please lend you knowledge Steve.

Jack Gifford 12-04-2021 01:59 AM

Bill, this is just my opinion-
That guy is "over thinking" the deal. Put it in and run it.

stevep 12-04-2021 09:36 PM

Run it! Did he drive it before> If so, was it quiet?

59safaricat 12-06-2021 08:07 PM

Are the lighter springs lose enough to rattle inside the housing? If so, that doesn't sound right.

Shoot this guy a message on YouTube and see if he can confirm the spring sizes and pressures from his display.

https://youtu.be/GL6s2DwqH_0?t=292

Bill Hanlon 12-06-2021 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 59safaricat (Post 6300563)
Shoot this guy a message on YouTube and see if he can confirm the spring sizes and pressures from his display.

I did and will post any answer I get.

stevep 12-07-2021 08:13 PM

A Roto Hydramatic always had 4 loose springs and 2 tight springs in the damper.

Kingman Man 12-09-2021 07:12 PM

Has anybody swappeded the early Hydeomatic and The Straoflight, either way! To me the Stratoflite and the will interchange, but the Stratoflight looks longer?
Kingman Man

Bill Hanlon 12-09-2021 08:41 PM

The X frame n your '55 would make it really hard to get the later tranny in place.

Safari Larry 12-09-2021 09:55 PM

Bill, the Stratoflight is the new-for-56 and 57 Trans, same X-frame as 55.

A friend (Pontiac Pat, you know him Bill) made the transition from Stratoflight to dual-range in a 56 Star Chief. He didn't like the Stratoflight. Pretty big job, including exchanging the steering column.

Changing a 55 dual-range to Stratoflight could be done, bolting in the transmission would be the easy part. Then there is the steering column, linkage, drive shaft, cross member, water cooling, and probably other things I don't know about. Not advised. The dual-range is considered by some to be the better transmission.

Bill Hanlon 12-10-2021 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Safari Larry (Post 6301319)
Bill, the Stratoflight is the new-for-56 and 57 Trans, same X-frame as 55.


Duh! I should of remembered that.

Kingman Man 03-17-2022 10:54 AM

Have the 59 Strato Flight, want to get rid of the " right Transmission" and put in the " wrong one" for my wife. I need a front drineshaft yoke for the trans, price shipped to 86409 please. Really glad weather is changing from "sitting in front of Forum" to " Get under the car weather." Know they changed spline ""somewhere" in there? info please.

Kingman Man 03-17-2022 10:56 AM

Thank you for verifying my thought. Dan

stevep 03-17-2022 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingman Man (Post 6327364)
Have the 59 Strato Flight, want to get rid of the " right Transmission" and put in the " wrong one" for my wife. I need a front drineshaft yoke for the trans, price shipped to 86409 please. Really glad weather is changing from "sitting in front of Forum" to " Get under the car weather." Know they changed spline ""somewhere" in there? info please.

What "wrong" transmission are you using?

Kingman Man 03-17-2022 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stevep (Post 6327476)
What "wrong" transmission are you using?

StratoFlight

d2_willys 05-02-2022 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by stevep (Post 6300785)
A Roto Hydramatic always had 4 loose springs and 2 tight springs in the damper.

The OP said that his friend had a 1954 truck hydramatic. What does a Roto-hydramatic have to do with the spring issue? Roto hydramatic was a different beast all together.:juggle:

d2_willys 05-02-2022 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingman Man (Post 6327364)
Have the 59 Strato Flight, want to get rid of the " right Transmission" and put in the " wrong one" for my wife. I need a front drineshaft yoke for the trans, price shipped to 86409 please. Really glad weather is changing from "sitting in front of Forum" to " Get under the car weather." Know they changed spline ""somewhere" in there? info please.

If you don't want the dual range hydramatic let me know. I can always use a Pontiac slant pan hydramatic:thanx:


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