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Vroom_vroom 01-30-2023 06:03 PM

Factory gauge conversion?
 
So after testing all of my nvu gauges half of them don’t check out as accurate and it’s the gauges not the sending units or wiring. I put them in there as my factory ones most didn’t work.

Is it worth buying a used set on eBay that has been tested and in working condition? I prefer the look of the original ones but curious if I’m signing myself up for a fight be buying a different brand of gauges. Getting tired of fighting with the gauges for the t/a, just need a set that works reliably.


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indymanjoe 01-30-2023 06:18 PM

i would send the original gauges to peter serio on this site for a rebuild.

TPM 01-30-2023 06:47 PM

I agree, send the gauges to Pete - he will take care of you

Tim john 01-30-2023 07:14 PM

X3 to Pete at Precision Pontiac. They will be spot on correct. Sped the time and money once and be done.

Tim john---

Mike S 01-30-2023 10:29 PM

I installed Dakota digital in my 70 camaro. I am very happy with them. Wasn't that involved but did help being an electrician. It also allowed me to get rid of all the aftermarket gauges.

Half-Inch Stud 01-31-2023 10:30 AM

Meanwhile verify the grounding; intentional ground wire from gauge circuit to firewall.

Vroom_vroom 01-31-2023 10:51 AM

Everything is double grounded at the firewall in the attempt to remedy the issue. Wonder how bad the rebuild cost on all the gauges would go for?

By the time I get all the gauges, senders, figure out the speedo and a new printed circuit I’m in to it a decent bit but it’s still about half the aftermarket setup


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Schurkey 01-31-2023 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Vroom_vroom (Post 6404496)
So after testing all of my nvu gauges

Never heard of that brand.

Got a link?

When it's me, I buy Autometer or, rarely, VDO.

mgarblik 01-31-2023 11:33 AM

Other than the clock, I have found factory TA gauges to be really good. Another vote for Peter Serio, Precision Pontiac. His work is VERY impressive. A true craftsman.

Vroom_vroom 01-31-2023 11:44 AM

Any one have a picture or a link to the light socket for the fuel/ volt gauge. Looks like I have got pretty much everything tracked down except for that part. It looks like it was not saved from my car so I’m not even sure what it looks like


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Vroom_vroom 01-31-2023 01:19 PM

Well won my gauges this am for the main cluster so factory gauges are a go!

Also any chance someone can give me the pin out for the fuel gauge? I have one to test but don’t want to fry it not knowing what tabs are the power/sender/ground.


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ScumOne 01-31-2023 01:54 PM

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So after testing all of my nvu gauges half of them don’t check out as accurate and it’s the gauges not the sending units or wiring. I put them in there as my factory ones most didn’t work.
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My mechanic is in the process of putting in the NVU 69 Direct Fit gauges for my 69 Bird. Are yours an older set, or recent?

Just hope selling my T/A aftermarket gauge set (which needed minor work) wasn't a total cluster....

HoovDaddy 01-31-2023 06:16 PM

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Never heard of that brand. Got a link?

https://newvintageusallc.mybigcommerce.com/

NVU pi$$ed me off. Their photo of the '69 Bird cluster shows the gauges mounted with the cluster upside down. I called them to inquire before I spend that much money and they told me I was mistaken and their photo of the cluster was correct as shown. It's not going to fit. I'm not buying from a company that doesn't know their product or have questionable customer service when there is a problem. I got full gauges (fuel, oil, temp, volts, clock, electronic speedo) from Autometer and saved money. I'm going to add a hood tach this year.

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ScumOne 01-31-2023 09:45 PM

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NVU pi$$ed me off. Their photo of the '69 Bird cluster shows the gauges mounted with the cluster upside down. I called them to inquire before I spend that much money and they told me I was mistaken and their photo of the cluster was correct as shown. It's not going to fit. I'm not buying from a company that doesn't know their product or have questionable customer service when there is a problem. I got full gauges (fuel, oil, temp, volts, clock, electronic speedo) from Autometer and saved money. I'm going to add a hood tach this year.

I already called them out on the installation manual and the spacer goof, plus a number of other things. If you have an original spacer you have to Dremel off certain ridges on the back left side (the 45 degree angle part) to let the gauge sit flat.Pic below with arrow pointers.
http://www.scumbackspeakers.com/69bi...tagegauges.jpg
You also have to carve off some of the brake pedal bracket to allow clearance.
They are incorporating my pics, and mods into their new install manual. Apparently they've already sent out my mods to other 69 FB installers to remedy the deficiencies. Hopefully with these changes they'll be all dialed in. Sorry you had a bad experience, I had to be my usual prick self to get their attention.

Vroom_vroom 01-31-2023 10:36 PM

Mine are an older set, air core type gauges. They are pure garbage. Perhaps the new ones are better as they are stepper motors. The retailer I bought them from dropped them not long after I got my set……… it’s been so long since I got them my wife reminded me I went through hell to get them working correctly in the beginning when I bought em.


Well luckily my secondary’s all tested out as working! Polished up the lens and they will be ready to go in once my main cluster comes in.
My plug for the cluster was cut too close to be useful so I pulled it apart and re wired it so it can be spliced back onto the main harness.

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Feel like I got lucky with the main cluster as it has the 8k tach in it but with the 100 speedo.
Now for the head scratching on what speedometer gear I need……..


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ScumOne 02-01-2023 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Vroom_vroom (Post 6404845)
Mine are an older set, air core type gauges. They are pure garbage. Perhaps the new ones are better as they are stepper motors. The retailer I bought them from dropped them not long after I got my set……… it’s been so long since I got them my wife reminded me I went through hell to get them working correctly in the beginning when I bought em.

I've got the newer stepper motor gauges in mine. Crossing my fingers on them working right since they have a number of features I like. I also didn't want to put a tach on the hood, if possible.

Vroom_vroom 02-01-2023 07:26 PM

So my donor cluster came out of a 76 firebird, it’s going into a 77. My question is did they make a 8k tach that was just wired in through the harmonica plug? There is no separate connections on the back of the case and from what I have been reading they had a separate ground wire for the tach coil?


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ScumOne 02-01-2023 08:03 PM

The NVU gauges finally got fitted in my 69 dash today. Took some more finagling and massaging beyond the previous adjustments, but they're in.

I actually got to hear the motor run today. Kudos to Jeff @ KRE for the recommendation on the cam, lifters, roller tipped rockers, pushrods, intake, etc, etc.

If I'm lucky they'll have the carb dialed in, timing dialed in, and ready to rock on Friday.

Fingers crossed...

Vroom_vroom 02-05-2023 10:52 PM

Well got my gauge wiring back to stock connections. Only had 8 hours in repairing my wiring harness (including taco break lol) got the printed circuit to work well enough to test a my gauges and lighting. All are good to go, now just waiting on a new pcb, senders, speedometer cable, and my new dash bezel. Threw some led bulbs in there while I was at it.

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