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CraigG. 10-30-2024 09:38 PM

Improving 60's with loosening the Converter?
 
Could I gain much from increasing stall from 4,500 on "8 race converter and Turbo 400 with a brake to 5,500 or so?

Shift at 6,500 - 6,800

1/8 = 6.61 with a 1.41 at 106
Combination:
72 GTO - Race weight 3400 with me
Elevation 980 Feet
465 and 12 1/2 to 1
455 bored .040 over
Bore … Stroke…
Hand Ported E-heads - '1999 - '2000
Heads Flowed 331 int. and 235 ext.
72 CC milled .060
Zero Decked
Flat Top Ross Pistons

Solid Roller at 276 / 279 at .050 and .635 lift
Installed at 104
Comp Cams - Grind# P8 4028B / 4049B R 108.0
Intake Exhaust
Valve Adjustment .020 .022
Gross Valve Lift .631 .630
Duration @ .020 Tappet Lift 312 316

Valve timing Open Close
@ .050 INT: 30 BTDC 66 ABDC
EXH: 67 BBDC 31 ATDC
108.0 Intake Center Line
Intake Exhaust
Duration @ .050 276 279
Lobe Lift .4210 .4200
Lobe Separation 108

MSD 6AL 2
MSD Billet Dist.
Advance Locked at 34 degrees
North Wind
Holley 1050 Dominator
"3 1/2 x 16 air filter

"2 Hookers Headers
Turbo 400 with a brake
"8 4500 stall on the brake
4.11 gears with MT 10.5w x 28 slicks

Scott Stoneburg 10-30-2024 11:04 PM

If it hooks I would say yes.

steve25 10-31-2024 05:32 AM

It sounds like you might have a high enough power band for it rpm wise, but if your hp is nosing over by 6500 it's hard to be sure without having a dyno sheet to confirm what's going on.

What does that 4500 converter you have now flash to?

CraigG. 10-31-2024 09:35 AM

I don't know about the flash - if I footbrake it will flash to 4,500. It will set at 5,000 on the brake - I have only gone to 4,500 with the 2-step.

CraigG. 10-31-2024 09:36 AM

What stall converters are stock and super stock class cars using?

Ken MacNicol 10-31-2024 12:25 PM

In my combo going from a 4,500 to a 5,000 of the same brand my car actually slowed up a bit .

slowbird 10-31-2024 09:48 PM

Yes if converter is built right. We run a 5600rpm stall in GTO and shift it at 6400

CraigG. 10-31-2024 11:10 PM

slowbird - who do you use and what converter?

grandville455 11-01-2024 06:14 AM

U need to know a few things, where does it flash stall to now, where does it drop on the shifts, where’s it go thru the traps at?

CraigG. 11-01-2024 10:38 AM

What might be the cheapest way to get that data?

firechickenman 11-01-2024 01:21 PM

I think you should pick up with more stall. Your combo is really close to the 463 I ran for several years. You have a little more cam and compression. It really liked the 10" PTC I have. It would stall to 5000 but lock up really well at 6500 through the traps. Typical 60' was 1.41-1.43 running low 10's @ 132-133. The way I measure stall is to go WOT at abut 25 mph in high gear.

Dragncar 11-01-2024 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CraigG. (Post 6533538)
What might be the cheapest way to get that data?

Playback tach. 400ish $

firechickenman 11-01-2024 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dragncar (Post 6533597)
Playback tach. 400ish $

A playback tach is a pretty handy tool! This is the playback of my 25mph WOT test with the 10" PTC behind the new 520.

https://youtube.com/shorts/sXlpb65TE...kxzhEn5OTVjOMX

AG 11-01-2024 09:42 PM

Another good tool to have is a GOPRO. I use one in my race car positioned to see the tach, gauges, fuel pressure gauge and the back of the drivers head, it makes evaluating a run really easy. I also have a dual FAST A/F gauge with playback, gets you all the data you need for the budget racer.

grandville455 11-02-2024 08:51 AM

Fetch used GoPro and mount it inside on roll bar etc, I’ve done that for years and I can zoom in on the gauges etc

CraigG. 11-02-2024 04:59 PM

I used my android cell phone on the roll bar with a Big fail as picture, vibration and sound distortions.

GoPro recommendations - model, features, vibration and sound qualities?

Thanks, Guys

AG 11-02-2024 08:20 PM

My converter stalls at about 5000 rpm but probably should stall at 5500. My typical 60' is 1.45 and i think it would improve with a higher stall. I shift at 6500 rpm and go across the line at 6700 rpm so you would probably improve your ET with a higher stal, which is very tricky to get right without spending a lot of $ through trial and error.

CraigG. 11-02-2024 09:20 PM

AG what transmission, Brake or rear gear do you have?

gman005 11-03-2024 08:42 AM

My car stalls about 5000 rpm and I 60' between 1.26 to 1.30 on a 9" tire.

AG 11-03-2024 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CraigG. (Post 6533824)
AG what transmission, Brake or rear gear do you have?

I run a TH400 that I built with a full manual reverse pattern valve body, use a 3.90 rear gear, 28" tire and use a Redneck Racing 9.5" converter that has 6.5% slip across the line. I could use a slightly higher stall, 5400-5500, to get a better 60' time.


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