Number Please
 

I have a 68 GTO, pulled the back seats and this item was hog ringed to the back seat, would anyone know what the numbers mean?

Attachment 656915

Is it Parchment interior?


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Yes the interior is Parchment, can you break down the numbers?

This is just a guess on my part.

The 24 with check mark is for the color of seat/interior

The 4237 is for GTO

The 153-2944 I don't know. Possibly a bin number or some thing for the bucket seat? Or a line/employee number?

Would need more of these tags to get an idea what it may mean.

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What johntal said plus the 2944 should match the sequence number on the cowl Data Plate. The 153 is a mystery to me.

Had thought of that but wasn't sure what 153 may be either.

What plant is this GTO from?

I wonder if the 153 may be the position on the line at start of day?

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That's not something we ever recorded. The line just stops at the end of the shift and then starts back up at the next shift.

Plus - if it was recorded - it is something that would be penciled in, not printed ahead of time.

K

The assembly plant is "P"........Pontiac Michigan

1968 GTO Data plate
 

Never pulled the back seat from my Pontiac built 68. Maybe I should.

If attached to the seat, is it possibly a supplier tag and ID, not an assembly tag? Who made these seats? I assume they would have been coded with GM numbers, but perhaps there were also supplier ID numbers? For example, if the seats came from multiple suppliers or multiple locations, GM may have wanted this info for QA tracking?

the only reason I pulled the rear seats was because for some reason owners like to just leave the seat belts on the floor after having some work done in that area, the package tray is new and the seats had to be removed to do the job correctly.
The seat belts have now been washed, dried and back in the proper position.

Seats were built up in the final assembly location (Pontiac Michigan in this case) in a remote area called "the cushion room", and then conveyed in sequence to the main line in the trim shop for installation.

The cushion room and the tire/wheel build up were separated due to fire concerns.


K

Thanks for knowing about the seat supplier! Very cool!

So does 224 trim code mean black or parchment?

2944 is different than 2951 on the trim tag...

So still not clear to me what the 153-2944 tag on the seat means.

JohnTA nailed it in post #4.

224 = Parchment interior (seat is parchment, door trim lower is black, door center panel and headliner are parchment, carpet is black).

Regarding 2944 vs 2951: they are pretty close. I have two thoughts:

1 - Pontiac assembly had the ability to shuffle builds in order to level the workload downstream, cut bodies in or out, or facilitate an extended repair. Perhaps the body was number 2951 through the body shop but was reshuffled to become number 2944 through trim.

Vehicles could be shuffled one last time between trim and final line. Once it was sent down final you were committed (barring some catastrophe).

- or -

2 - maybe vehicle number 2944 and 2951 used the same rear seat and so the operator just grabbed the "wrong" seat and installed it, using the "wrong" seat in the next parchment GTO as well to get back on track.

Still no idea on what the "153" might be.

K

Did you happen to find a full build sheet anywhere in the vehicle (in the seats in particular, on top of the gas tank, under the carpet, above the headliner)?

K

https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...1&d=1757902891

Thanks again!

What's a "Line No. (number)"?

On your example it's 0521 which suggests way more assembly lines than I would expect, even for GM. So was this "coded" by site and line or ?????

"Line number" is the General Assembly (Final Line) build sequence number.

I think you are starting to see how many ways there are to track or describe the same vehicle.

Typically when I was tracking a specific vehicle (or build set) I would want to know:

The dealer order number
The assembly plant PVI (Primary vehicle identifier) once the final location assigned it
The body shop build sequence number
The paint shop build sequence number
The trim shop build sequence number
the General Assembly build sequence number
the VIN
the GM company vehicle fleet number

All of the build sequence numbers (and VIN) are unique to the specific assembly plant.

I would keep a matrix showing all of this for each vehicle build. For example, for the 2003 GMT800 front end refresh we built around 900 pre production units. At one time I had all this info for each of those.

Of those the GA sequence number is the gold source. Nobody talks about the VIN in the assembly plant except to make sure it gets on the right vehicle, like a tune up label or Mulroney window sticker.

K

One more quick comment about the build sequence numbers: that's not the whole thing.

Other than the earliest builds they are going to be a six (or seven) digit number that keeps ramping up. The numbers we see are a four or three or two digit shorthand so that the operators don't have to write the whole thing.

So 2944 might be short for 122944. "87" might be short for 321187.

Typically these will be written on any component that is built up remotely and then conveyed to the final line in sequence (ie, front end sheet metal, front axle, rear axle, tire/wheel assemblies, seats, etc).

K

Normally there is one assembly line snaking it's way through the plant.

Flint was somewhat unique in that it had two separate lines under the same roof (Line 1 = pickup; Line 2 = Blazer/Suburban).

Fremont also had two lines (passenger car vs pickup).

K