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Keith Seymore 09-20-2025 09:02 AM

Earliest known GTO for sale?
 
https://www.hotcars.com/earliest-196...xist-for-sale/

Please discuss quietly amongst yourselves.

K

Keith Seymore 09-20-2025 09:31 AM

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Ok - I'll start.

a. "only the fourth vehicle to roll off the assembly line at the Pontiac" - not sure how one can even begin to spin that line. For the '64 model year VINs started at 1001, so the fourth vehicle off the line would be closer to xxxP1004. With this vehicle's VIN of 824P8954 it's not even close.

Perhaps the author misspoke, and meant the 4th GTO off the line? Not sure how one comes up with that, either, since GTOs were not built or VINned one right after the other. You'd have to go through every invoice, one by one at PHS (ala Fred Simmonds) to make that determination. Maybe Jim Mattison did that on behalf of an earlier owner, as he does occasionally add notes to the cover letter as warranted.

b. We have the VIN and build sheet for the purported first GTO, as presented by John Sawruk. That car was built September 11, 1963 and the VIN is P3147. Am I to believe that there were only 4 GTOs built between 3147 and 8954? Seems like a pretty big gap.

https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...1&d=1758375100

I'd love to see the cowl tag but could not find any additional pictures at this Saratoga Motorcar auction site.

So - anybody here have a '64 GTO earlier than VIN 8954?

K

PAUL K 09-20-2025 10:35 AM

Interesting thanks for sharing!

Rachelsdad 09-20-2025 11:55 AM

4th Tempest 2-door post built as a GTO, perhaps? Just speculating, here.

My August 1982 '82 Firebird was a one of one at the end of the line (I had to wait for it). Perhaps this was something similar (color combo, option mix, body style). I agree though that without PHS documents to back up the claim, it's all just word salad (but still a pretty car).

Longs 09-23-2025 01:44 PM

I tried to zoom on the cowl tag but couldn't read it. The article says that it was built in September 1963. Since that was so early in production, it could have been that not many were being built so early. It may have taken some time to get traction to ultimately get the production to the 32K for 1964. We remember that the initial expectation was that Pontiac would only sell 5,000 GTOs in 1964.

tigergto 09-23-2025 05:46 PM

Does anyone know what it sold for? I couldn’t find it on the Saratoga auction site.

Held for Ransom 09-23-2025 08:36 PM

https://www.saratogaautoauction.org/...4-pontiac-gto#

Keith Seymore 09-23-2025 10:07 PM

Thanks HFR -

I wasn't able to find anything on it.

K

tigergto 09-24-2025 05:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Held for Ransom (Post 6583353)

Thank you.

77 TRASHCAN 09-24-2025 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith Seymore (Post 6583042)
Ok - I'll start.

a. "only the fourth vehicle to roll off the assembly line at the Pontiac" - not sure how one can even begin to spin that line. For the '64 model year VINs started at 1001, so the fourth vehicle off the line would be closer to xxxP1004. With this vehicle's VIN of 824P8954 it's not even close.

Perhaps the author misspoke, and meant the 4th GTO off the line? Not sure how one comes up with that, either, since GTOs were not built or VINned one right after the other. You'd have to go through every invoice, one by one at PHS (ala Fred Simmonds) to make that determination. Maybe Jim Mattison did that on behalf of an earlier owner, as he does occasionally add notes to the cover letter as warranted.

b. We have the VIN and build sheet for the purported first GTO, as presented by John Sawruk. That car was built September 11, 1963 and the VIN is P3147. Am I to believe that there were only 4 GTOs built between 3147 and 8954? Seems like a pretty big gap.

https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com...1&d=1758375100

I'd love to see the cowl tag but could not find any additional pictures at this Saratoga Motorcar auction site.

So - anybody here have a '64 GTO earlier than VIN 8954?

K

Many classic car sellers seem to have the dominant "BS" gene. :heh:

71GP76TA 09-24-2025 11:38 AM

Earliest GTO for sale right now...

Baron Von Zeppelin 09-24-2025 09:48 PM

Sold for 99,500
Some guys bought into the story it seems.
For sure a first month car , and very nice.

geeteeohguy 09-28-2025 01:33 PM

It's got the Hurst Floor Shifter and 6.4 liter engine, so it's pretty special alright.


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