PY Online Forums - Bringing the Pontiac Hobby Together

PY Online Forums - Bringing the Pontiac Hobby Together (https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/forums/index.php)
-   67-79 Big Pontiac TECH (https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=431)
-   -   1969 pecking order (https://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=885789)

north 06-10-2026 09:28 AM

1969 pecking order
 
5 Attachment(s)
Rainy morning so I thought I'd document the fullsized 1969 Pontiac pecking order.

Cheapest big Pontiac was the Catalina, standard engine was a premium fuel 290 hp 400 2bbl with a 3 speed on the tree. wheelbase was 122" and overall length was 217.5"

It came with dogdish hubcaps, a hard plastic two spoke wheel. Standard equipment included carpeting, wheel opening moldings and lights for the trunk, ashtray, lighter and glovebox. Taillights had two bulbs and the grill was molded plastic.

Seat upholstery was cloth and vinyl

north 06-10-2026 09:42 AM

4 Attachment(s)
The first step up was the decor group option on the Catalina that delivered a soft touch three spoke steering wheel, extra sound deadener, pedal trim, bright drip and window frame moldings and deluxe wheelcovers

north 06-10-2026 09:49 AM

2 Attachment(s)
Next was the Ventura (technically an option on Catalina but marketed as a separate model). It was basically a nicer interior trim level with fancier door panels (that included lower carpet and wood trim) and all vinyl plusher looking seats.

As you can see in this picture the Ventura trim level did not include the decor group option, decor group was offered separately.

north 06-10-2026 09:59 AM

3 Attachment(s)
Next up is the Executive model. The primary changes include:

Longer wheelbase (125") and extra rear overhang for a total length of 223.5"

The same interior trim as the Ventura along with the above mentioned standard decor group and a clock.

Still no changes to the drive train

north 06-10-2026 10:24 AM

5 Attachment(s)
The next model is the Bonneville. Here the changes are numerous:

Standard engine is a 360 horsepower 4bbl premium fuel 428, standard transmission is still a 3 speed manual on the tree.
Exterior trim changes include fender skirts, lower full length extruded aluminum side moldings, unique die cast grill, larger three section tail lights, added rear bright trim and an Endura rear bumper protector
Interior changes include molded door panels, front center armrest and plusher seat padding

north 06-10-2026 10:37 AM

3 Attachment(s)
Finally is the Brougham option on the Bonneville. It brought velour biscuit style upholstery (leather on convertibles). power windows, rear seat armrest (except convertible) and rear cigar lighters (late production only) and interior and exterior identification.

north 06-10-2026 10:46 AM

Pricing (for 2 door hardtops) was as follows:

Catalina: $3,164 ($3,258 with decor option)
Ventura: $3,279 ($3,373 with decor option)
Executive: $3,456
Bonneville: $3,688
Brougham: $3,961

north 06-10-2026 11:05 AM

3 Attachment(s)
Wagons followed a similar pattern with the following variations:

All wagons used the Catalina 122" wheelbase and were three inches longer in rear overhang than other models for an overall length of 220.5". Bonneville wagon came as a 3 set only, all others were offered as a two or three seat. The Brougham was not offered on wagons.

Catalina wagon had the same trim as mentioned above except that all vinyl upholstery was standard.
Ventura wagon had the same trim as other bodystyles
Executive wagon had the same trim as other bodystyles but did not use the longer wheelbase but had exterior woodgrain styling as standard equipment
Bonneville wagon had had the same trim as other bodystyles but did not use the longer wheelbase. It had a carpeted and chrome trimmed load floor. Interestingly the Bonneville did not have the woodgrain exterior styling

Pricing:
Catalina: $3,519 ($3,644 three seat)
Ventura: $3,624 ($3,749 three seat)
Executive: $3,872 ($4,017 three seat)
Bonneville: $4,104 three seat only

TXSTARFIRE 06-10-2026 01:51 PM

Thanks for the interesting information! Out back I have a 69 Executive wagon that came with a 428. It had a hand written line sheet in it. Always wondered about that. I will have to see if I can find it. There is alot more info available today than there was 40 years ago.

SD455DJ 06-11-2026 09:33 AM

That's a great history lesson North! Thanks!

Dennis

muscle_collector 06-12-2026 07:50 PM

thanks for all the info. got a question that surprisingly being into these cars for over 50 years i cant remember ever hearing the answer. so question is was it a date thing or what??? that made some of the 428 bonnevilles get the 428 emblem in the grill and some didnt have it?

Cammer-6 06-13-2026 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muscle_collector (Post 6619794)
thanks for all the info. got a question that surprisingly being into these cars for over 50 years i cant remember ever hearing the answer. so question is was it a date thing or what??? that made some of the 428 bonnevilles get the 428 emblem in the grill and some didnt have it?

MC are you referring the 428 emblem on core support?
Or core support vs grill?
From what I remember the visual call outs were keyed with the upper horsepower 428 models(that would have 4 bolt mains).

muscle_collector 06-13-2026 02:09 PM

1 Attachment(s)
no just the one on the front grill like this one

JimFB400HO 06-13-2026 02:21 PM

Enjoyed your information. That Catalina post brought back memories of my Dad's green '69 Catalina. I loved driving that car.

einstein 06-13-2026 03:18 PM

I learned how to drive on several cars, one was a 69 Brougham 4-door hardtop.

Been a long time, and there are no photos of that car to trip my memory, but I'm thinking the 428 small emblem was on the radiator support.

Cammer-6 06-13-2026 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by einstein (Post 6619884)
I learned how to drive on several cars, one was a 69 Brougham 4-door hardtop.

Been a long time, and there are no photos of that car to trip my memory, but I'm thinking the 428 small emblem was on the radiator support.

Parted out a 69 low HP 428
emblem was on the core support
none on grill
Pretty sure I still have that emblem

north 06-15-2026 12:39 PM

3 Attachment(s)
At the beginning of the model year the Bonneville had no 428 emblems anywhere (in 67-68 and earlier if you ordered a 428 on any big Pontiac you'd get rocker molding 428 emblems, a rad support emblem and if equipped with a console another one there. In 69 the Bonneville had no 428 emblems anywhere at the start of the model run (i suspect it was because the 428 was standard rather than optional) but around January or February they added one to the grill. If you ordered a 428 on one of the models other than a Bonneville at anytime during the 69 run they installed 428 emblems on the lower rear of the fenders above the rocker moldings (they were much smaller than the 67-68 sized ones. no 69's ever had a rad support emblem and since there was no console option in 69 there was no interior emblems.

Also new for 69 was that the regular 360 horse 428 used on the big cars no longer came with the chrome dress up. Instead, it used the same painted valve covers and the standard 4 bbl small snorkel air cleaner. The 428 HO came with chrome valvecovers and the large single snorkel air cleaner with chrome lid (as seen on the 68 GTO and the 68-69 Firebird 400).

muscle_collector 06-15-2026 06:30 PM

i like the look of the 428 emblems on the fenders however they were pretty rare. back in the mid 80's there was a guy who officed in the building i did and he had a 69 catalina he bought new that was pretty well optioned and it had the 428 emblems on the fenders. he very rarely drove the car and it was mint condition white with dark blue interior. finally one day i pulled in the same time he did and we talked about the car. he told me about ordering it and popped the hood and it was a HO i liked to have died as 69 was the only year HO i didnt have. selling was totally out of the question and then one day i never saw him or the car again.

muscle_collector 06-15-2026 06:33 PM

thats not the white HO im talking about is it

north 06-19-2026 10:30 AM

No, the white Cat has a 428/360. The HO is in a Bonnie.


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:05 PM.