[GTO Karl]

Well Goatman, thats pretty much what I was expecting. My joking about the Qjet being ruler of the world was over shadowed by your lack of ability to answer a question, or provide any evidence to back up your claims. All I said was...they are all old tech...all carbs. They can all be made to work.

The reason I brought up the fuel economy was two fold...it shows you don't know about carbs because you circumnavigate the question and throw out more attacks. Second, its because anyone who races owns a race car. When I show up at the track with my "street car", there is only "race cars" to put on the trailer in my class, Super Pro. And I can walk down the staging lanes pointing to all the cars who could use some tuning, most of which run Holleys. We call them "Ducks", because they're just waiting for the inconsistincies of they're cars to be taken advantage of by those who know what we are doing. Of course, this has nothing to do with the fact they run Holleys, since its just as easy to know nothing about tuning a Qjet, as you have made clear.

My problem isn't with your beliefs, or Qjets, or Holleys, or Demons, or injection. My problem is with the lack of information you provided to back up your claims. Also, with your attitude towards those of us who run 10's, 11's, and 12's, and show up for bracket races all over this country, week after week. Some trailer, others drive to the track, but the race section of this board applies to us as every other racer. I have a thousand time slips and a room full of trophys to say I am a racer. I've put 7 second and 17 second cars on the trailer for years. I've run heads up classes, slicks only classes, and regular brackets. Holleys, tri powers, thermoquads, afb's, dual afb's, dual Qjets, Demons, spread bores, square flange, Dominators, 600 center squirters, multiple Webers on sixes and V8's, Delortos on sandrails, various other carbs, and fuel injection. I would say I have some experience, where is your list? I build my own engines, do my own valve grinds and porting, choose my own cams, and drive my 64 every day. I'm tooting my own horn and I admit it, but I'm not throwing out a bunch of advice without backing it up at least a little. And, although many other people on this board throw out advice without having the background in the subject they are refering, you are the only one to get me riled up enough to say anything, since you claim to be a "research scientist", and yet, the way you make your point in various posts, has nothing to do with science, and everythiing to do with touting your opinion with no factual info to back it up. Anecdotle evidence, of others running Holleys on fast cars is not evidence worthy of a "scientist". It only means that Holleys work also, and that there are many ways to solve a problem.

I run Qjets for two reasons:

Because it is one more low cost way to make HP. Relative to an $6-800 Demon.

And because I have never made more HP with any of the 50 or so Holleys I have tried in the past, although most of the Holleys ran as good as my Qjet, they weren't better. I always gave up throttle response and fuel economy.

As for this being a race section. There is many a race car that runs a Qjet, Some are forced too by the rules, others make the choice for themselves. All I have been trying to say, is that once you understand carbs and how they function(the DETAILS!), it really doesn't matter which carb you run. What matters is booster signal strength, throat size vs venturi size, atomization quality, adjustability(tunability), intake manifold design vs carb choice, cfm, and intended use. You are right that many heavy cars with tight converters use Holleys or Demons, I usually out 60ft them on my local tire store radials (low 1.70's). The bulk of the world and the people on this board race 10 and 11 second cars. And if they wanted to go faster, they could always use 2 Qjets, not that it would be the best choice. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

All I know, is I have substantially more experience than most with carburators, Qjets work well, and are the best choice for some applications, Demons are better for others...but considering that I could buy a set of custom JE pistons with a relocated and smaller, lighter ring set, for the price of a Demon carb, knowing full well my Qjet will run right there at the finish, I'll take the pistons.

I have not provided a detailed, analytical, engineering type response about carburator function, because as anyone who can read, can understand that I have not tried to take a side on the Qjet vs Holley debate here...I like Qjets for various reasons, but other carbs work fine. It is usually not the carb that is a problem anyway, but the person who is trying to race the car, and the lack of education most have in tuning, plus the buy new gadget to solve problem mentality prevalent in the USA.

And this is the first time since joining this board that I have taken a stance against an individual for his posts. I don't know you personally, and don't have anything against you except that your posts are inflamatory, and don't provide any thoughtful or insightful information with which to continue a discussion. If I had wanted to share the opinion that Holleys were a better choice for 71 T/A, I would have listed the appropriate reasons for my belief. Meaning technical, or even personal anacdotle evidence(which I have no problem with, only the reference to others anacdotle evidence). This would lead to a good, technical discussion of the various points brought up...

71 T/A...I'm sorry your topic turned this direction, and I hope you can see my point. Every member has the right to say what he wants(up to the point of ccass taking objection). I just think this board would be much more interesting if the discussions weren't all about mudslinging. I know I am the most guilty of this just now, but I don't think the threads would dissolve so quickly if an effort was made to teach based on the scientific method instead of just bashing others opinions.

Again, Goatman, you might be the sharpest guy out there, and the best research scientist where you work, but you have not put your skills on display, only your lack thereof...

Karl