We had an open frame 67 GTO hardtop cross member for comparision. That sucker was almost a foot longer than the width for the 65 Cat piece - plus we needed that one to go back into the 67 so we didn't want to cut it up. Really surpirsing how much longer the open frame cross members really are, and shortening them presents other problems since you get into the angled U part of the cross member really quick.
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