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Old 11-21-2006, 08:36 PM
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This seller is perhaps a bit optimistic in his belief that this is the only black 70 Judge.

His answer to a question gave me a chuckle. He was asked for a copy of the PHS, His answer was: "WILL NOT RELEASE VIN OR PHS EXCEPT TO WINNING BIDDER THIS CAR WILL NOT BE CLONED."

I am amused by owners who fear their car will be "cloned" or faked if the VIN is discovered by some kind of "thief in the night." The reality is that anyone would be a fool to try to copy a car that is known to exist. Someone looking to fake a car would look for a VIN that was known to have been scrapped, or buy the plates from a scrapped car. This is even more true for the Pontiacs because of the availability of the factory invoice. We are truly fortunate to have this resource, but it does have the unfortunate side effect of giving value to certain VIN tags.

We have all heard the stories about 318 Challengers and Cudas being cloned or faked into hemi cars. The perpetrator has a VIN tag altered or remade to designate a Hemi. With no factory records to refer to, this can be hard to prove.

In fact, the best protection against a car being faked or cloned is to have the VIN published in a registry or advertised on ebay to show the world that this car exists.

I expect this sellers "VIN paranoia" will likely hold down the bidding on his car, and if it does meet reserve, the sale price will be less than if he was willing to relase the VIN and invoice. So in this case, the sellers paranoia may work to the advantage of the high bidder.