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Originally Posted by cliffhanger
just my 2 cents
but why is it that lately every single transam or formula on ebay is opened in a new topic and bitched and whined about its originality and if or if not a part might be numbers matching or not? what is the frickin' goal, what fun is it to crack down a perfectly good car?
my washer reservoir had a leak so i put a junkyard vauxhall one in the car, is it so hard to imagine that things break down or got replaced in 36 years? should people then start bitchin that the reservoir isnt original/matching numbers so the value of the car should be cut in half? what a load of bull......
anyway, to still give a comment on the question (should it be pure interest instead of bitchin'), it might have been replaced by a grand prix part f.e. as it might have broken down somewhere along its 36 years of life. the present owner might not even know about it. I wouldn't even know about it either...
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WOW...feel better now?
You miss the point. The issue is not "numbers matching" whatsoever.
Auction statement is as follows:
"A/C compressor removed, does come with car, have all brackets and bolts"
Seller is infering that that compressor, brackets and bolts were removed from that car. That statement is false and misleading. That setup might bolt to the engine. I doubt the reservoir would clear the inner fenderwell and I can't even imagine what the hose routing would look like. A seller statement such as 'original A/C compressor and mounting brackets missing, setup from another Pontiac is included' Although the setup is still worthless to that car as it is incorrect and probably would not fit or function, at least the seller would be accurate and not misleading.
You're suggesting that the old compressor went bad and they replaced it with another from a junkyard. Well, if my alternator lets go, I don't remove the alternator with every associated nut bolt and bracket and replace with likewise. I remove just the alternator. So, if my air conditioning compressor goes bad, I replace just the compressor.
Like many A/C cars, my 72 was missing those same items. I mean they were gone, not mounted, included or even available. I suspect that was the case with this 71 as well because the parts shown in the auction were not from that car. I was fortunate to obtain that same setup from a 71 Formula 400 4 speed. Looks nothing like the auction image. FormulaBruce helped me with a few other pieces from a 72.
I post on this site regularly. There was a guy with a Formula that had shift linkage binding problems on his car that I helped him rectify, another guy with a pinion seal leak, another with a oil burning problem. Each posted to the forum thanking me for my help. A lot of the information I post to the forum many find enlightening or educational. Those who don't feel that way, so be it. It is also a venue where we can debate what is correct or not. We all may have reasons or information to feel so while others to the contrary. Ultimately, we all step forward in our quest with these cars.
This site is an open forum for registered users and we are all free to post within what the moderators allow.
My post may have been enlightening to some. The fact of the compressor and brackets being wrong does not significantly change the value of the car. It does however challenge the credibility of the seller. A Michigan car, for how many years?, with 125k, every thing rust free? Maybe.
BTW, it is missing the heat riser crossover, preheat shields, I believe the alternator is wrong based on the fan and there is no image showing the shaker on the egine to display if it is correct. It looks to have an HEI. Carb...who knows. Looks correct vintage.
So sellers statement:
"1971 Pontiac Trans Am 455 H.O. Matching # + Bonus!"
Is really incorrect and should be taken with a grain of salt. Like my 72, sellers statement shoud be '1971 Pontiac Trans Am 455 H.O. with original motor, trans., carb, rear end' to whatever extend that statement would be accurate and the seller educated enough to know it and prove it.
That car is very attractive and puts my 72 to shame. Yet, it's still an automatic A/C, so even though I can afford it, I didn't bid high enough to win it.