[Cliff R]

I don't enjoy the same freedom as others when it comes to this type of thread. As soon as I point out serious flaws with the parts tested, the OP gets his panties all wadded up and starts attacking me with all the personal crap, condescending attitude toward me in a personal nature, and whines and cries like a little child, threating to quit taking my replies "lightly", blah, blah, blah. Harry, why don't we just air all this stuff in Public Forum. You hate my guts because I REFUSED to send back your carburetor without payment, which we never did get and it's been over two years now, and all I was charging you half our normal labor rate, plus materials and return shipping.

Folks need to grow up and look at the FACTS. All you need to do is look at the picture that I put up on my own thread where I painted the factory gasket white to show how terrible the miss-match is between the parts, and how far up you MUST raise the AFB clone just to keep the throttle plates from hitting the intake.

Then use a little bit of common sense and form your own conclusions as to what was really tested here.

Unless you are a complete idiot when it comes to engine efficiency, and think air moving thru an engine enjoys running into flat areas where it has to make SERIOUS bends to find it's way thru the intact tract doesn't effect airflow clear across the load/speed range, then you need to get off this thread, and even clear out of the hobby all together....IMHO.

This was NOT an intake manifold comparison, as one set-up was HIGHLY flawed and using components that were not designed for it. It's no more complicated than that, yet I'm sitting here wondering how so many folks that I thought really had their "shi@ together" patted Harry on the back and thought this was a valid "apples to apples" comparison instead of a "back to back" test comparing a well optimized set-up vs a cobbled up set-up using miss-matched components.

Folks also need to look very closely at the intake testing we have done, and other hobbyists like Jim Hand. The factory engineers really did know what they were doing with these things. Even a later model EGR intake can support great power without a single modification to it, and with some professional porting your Pontiac powered vehicle can run like this......on bias ply tires!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AVXn...ature=youtu.be

The early intakes can run this good with a little messaging as well:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AVXn...ature=youtu.be

The white FB is also running on bias ply tires, not slicks, and has went 10.0's in good air!
A lot of folks reading this, including myself don't have our street cars going this quick without any limitations as to what we use on them, let alone having to keep all the "stock" components in place and appearing to be operational.

Anyhow, I'm completely done with this thread, now Harry can whine and cry and continue with his personal attacks toward me to throw folks off tract as to what was really done here and why we need to point out the specifics involved with the testing......Cliff