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Originally Posted by HWYSTR455

If I hear one more LS swap guy cry about noisy lifters, I will puke. That's how many there are. And even if you get a warranty, you still have to do the work. It gets old after the 3rd or 4th one. And some of the guys I know are on that count. So far.

The 'IF' I was talking about is that if you could get a comparable Pontiac engine, sitting right next to an LS engine, both in the same condition, which would you choose? And why? With no cost factor.

Without the cost factor, most would pick up the Pontiac engine I would think. And the cost factor is not that much of a factor if you have to build either from the ground up. So you can't just say "It's cheaper to swap in an LS engine", it's just not true, or not all the truth. That's the point I'm trying to make. And then what if you want to go faster?



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What you're commenting on really isn't the norm. Not sure where you're finding noisy lifters on LS engines. I hear more complaints about noisy lifters on this Pontiac site than anywhere else combined. LS engines early on were known for piston slap from 97-2002 but that problem pretty much disappeared after that from my experience with these engines. I've had a bunch of them and worked on even more and never came across a noisy lifter issue though. Hell I've done cam swaps on 100k engines, reuse the lifters, and then continue to drive them another 100k miles. Thousands and thousands of people are doing that. The labor issue really doesn't factor in either when doing this stuff yourself, because either way, you're doing it whether it's an LS or a classic engine. Even if the classic engine fails who's pulling that back out? Doesn't matter what engine it is at that point does it. It still doesn't change the fact that the chances are less.

And I'm still not grasping your point. Picking one or the other is a cost factor, plain and simple. We can't speak "hypothetically" about what "IF" because that's just not reality. The reality is that Pontiac engines aren't sitting in bone yards with 60-70k miles on them just waiting for someone to buy it. That's the truth. If there were you could bet people would be buying them. But that's simply not our current state. The Pontiac engines people want haven't been made since 1979 (400) and 455's were gone after 76. Where are you going to find a low mile 400 or 455 just sitting in a bone yard?? One that runs, complete, and ready to drop in a car and go? If you do you better buy yourself a lottery ticket.