[Cliff R]

"Or if you are a facbook'er, theres one guy out there with a stage 3 super duper this or that, telling everyone to run full initial timing locked out, claims setting the initial to something crazy like 34° is far better than factory initial timing settings & that GM and other brand engineers didnt know what they were doing and caused excessive emissions & poor gas mileage with factory timing specs."

I actually had that guy call here a few months back. It was the most "one sided" conversation I ever had with anyone during my nearly 65 years on this planet. He's so "full of himself" makes you want to PUKE! 99 percent of the conversation was him telling me how great he was, how things should be done, how he does it, and even when he did ask questions he very quickly answered them himself and agreed with the findings. I said very little as I figured out in about .5 milliseconds of our conversation that this guy is a nutter and no amount of information I'd provide would be a complete waste of my time and energy.

He pushes those STOOPID tuning methods all over the place, and actually believes they work or at least are better than the way anyone else does it.

I woln't mention any names but he's not to hard to find if you go looking for him and in his life span has become a LEGEND.......in his own mind!........FWIW......