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Originally Posted by 78w72
WOW! That was a lot of typing, yet completely confused or misunderstood what Amsoil says in the article. They do NOT say to use it to fill the engine, so the math comparing the 2 is completely irrelevant, do you actually think you're supposed to fill the engine with it??? Read the directions on the bottle slowly, 2 or 3 times in order to understand it, it says to add 1 bottle to 4-5qts of oil & run a short time.
Again, Amsoil explains the reason why using ATF is not ideal compared to modern engine flushes designed for that purpose. ATF might be 10weight viscosity... but it has ZERO additives for engine wear that oil has, therefore causing more wear when you use 100% ATF no matter how short its ran for, I also never said you run the engine with it all the time, and nobody is saying the engine will instantly blow up, but it's not a good idea to use 100% ATF in an engine. I don't need to rebuild a trans to know the difference between auto trans bearings & engine bearings.
There is a LOT more to protecting engine internals than just keeping the crank/bearings suspended with a film of oil, bet the cam/lifters really love PURE ATF in the engine! 
Since you still don't understand the reasons Amsoil explains that using ATF is not an ideal way to clean an engine, even when diluted let alone full strength, I will copy & paste it for you... no need to reply anymore since you obviously can't get past your "opinion" of how to do things even when a reputable lubrication company explains it very clearly.
Transmission Fluid in Oil Reduces Cleaning Power
That’s because the detergency of ATF is less than motor oil. Why is that?
ATF is exposed to lower levels of combustion by products and contaminants than motor oil, so it is formulated with reduced detergency. Instead, ATFs have elevated levels of friction modifiers and other additives that help protect gears and clutches.
Transmission Fluid in Oil Reduces Wear Protection
Second, adding ATF alters the motor oil formulation and reduces its effectiveness.
A good motor oil is a fine balance of base oils and additives designed to fight wear, reduce friction, prevent deposits and slowly dissolve accumulated sludge. The cleaning power of motor oil is designed to work gradually over subsequent oil changes and not necessarily all at once. Adding a foreign substance to the oil disrupts the formulated chemistry, negatively impacting wear protection, detergency and more.
Changes Motor Oil Viscosity
Finally, ATF can alter the viscosity of the oil, reducing wear protection.
Viscosity is the oil’s most important property, influencing wear protection and fuel efficiency. Increasing or decreasing viscosity by adding a little transmission fluid in oil to clean sludge can lead to increased engine wear.
Use An Engine Flush Instead
If you want effective sludge removal and cleaning power, we recommend using AMSOIL Engine & Transmission Flush. It helps to restore fuel economy, increase operating efficiency and reduce emissions in gasoline and diesel engines, and automatic transmissions. Its potent, detergent-based formula cleans sludge and deposit build-up. |
Mike
Please take note, that the bottom of this page is mixing the trans. Fluid to the oil and that is not what I do, thus there is no proof but that the manufacturer of this Amsoil Motor flush is just selling you their product, read it again for yourself.
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Since you still don't understand the reasons Amsoil explains that using ATF is not an ideal way to clean an engine, even when diluted let alone full strength.
Mike
Mike understands he just has a different opinion.
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Transmission Fluid in Oil Reduces...
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Transmission Fluid in Oil Reduces Wear Protection
Second, adding ATF alters the motor oil formulation and reduces its effectiveness.
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Adding a foreign substance to the oil disrupts the formulated chemistry, negatively impacting wear protection, detergency and more...LIKE ATF ?
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Changes Motor Oil Viscosity
Finally, ATF can alter the viscosity of the oil, reducing wear protection.
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... Decreasing viscosity by adding a little transmission fluid in oil to clean sludge can lead to increased engine wear.
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Use An Engine Flush Instead. If you want effective sludge removal and cleaning power, we recommend using AMSOIL Engine & Transmission Flush. It helps to restore fuel economy, increase operating efficiency and reduce emissions in gasoline and diesel engines, and automatic transmissions. Its potent, detergent-based formula cleans sludge and deposit build-up.
FROM ABOVE
"It's potent, detergent-based formula cleans sludge and deposit build-up".
Mikes reply: Since Amsoil claims to clean and I claim that Transmission fluid cleans, the only thing that the Amsoil can really do is get rid of the sludge in an Engine and because of that they claim the rest is Bull, because once it has cleaned the inside of the Block, none remains in the Block to make any such claims of say better milage, etc...
Mike believes that all the above claims by Amsoil say mix Trans. with oil this is what happens...
I do not mix Trans. fluid to the oil, do I? I claim to remove the motor oil from the Block by draining it and remove the filter, install a new filter with 2 gal of ATF and run that for .5 hour. Now you read your own products message carefully please.
You should ask yourself why would the DIY person be able to mix their product with ATF at any time if the chemicals were incompatible and would hurt the outcome or defeat the purpose for which the product was intended.
It's all right there in Black and white, Amsoil is Hypocritical and they don't have to be, I am sure their products work, there just playing on our stupidity as Comsumers as if we can't read.
In closing please don't ever say that Mike doesn't understand something, I always tell the forum that I don't understand by asking a question to begin with.
RECAP: When you drain the Amsoil mixture out of the Block for example, after mixing it with dirty motor oil or a mixture of one 16oz bottle of their product to some Trans. fluid, what is left in the Block but a clean ass Engine? So, what is going to reduce the Emissions and all the wonderful things they say their product does? Ans: it leaves a clean Motor.
Mikes (Trans. fluid cleaning method) does the same thing without the sales pitch and it will not hurt the Engine and this is a tested truth and proven by the best, ME. We will add this to the Pontiac Mod. In the archives with the Pontiac and 421 cooling Mods and the Pontiac water Pump Mod, all of which I learned here on this forum. JMO
P.S. My roommate just said: They add two 16 oz bottles of Amsoil and mix it with dirty oil, then mix some Trans. fluid all together, run the engine and drain. How could that work better than your method, mike?