[JSchmitz]

Originally Posted by 78w72

Exaggerating is fine, but that doesnt make much of a point assuming they are trying to deceive anyone, im sure if there was any funny business that someone in the 20 years that display has been around would have figured it out & plastered it all over the internet or in the car world. Its real oil on one side & the same oil treated with lucas on the other. Im pretty sure the stores added the oil themselves, lucas didnt ship them with oil in it, a good friend of mine was a manager at oreillys for 10+ years, hes the type that would call BS on things like that.

Oil alone doesnt have the clinging effect that lucas or other additives have, its diluted to 10% so doesnt effect drain back, just adds a stronger film to parts which helps with dry starts etc as dragncar has explained a few times. If you are a skeptic of it you are free to do so, but that doesnt mean it doesnt do what it says or there is anything deceptive about it.

Not sure what years you are saying oils had lesser specs than others, but if they were certified to meet an API spec they all met that spec, but just like today oils do have different additive packs, each brand formulates their oil a little different, doesnt make any of them inferior as far as API specs are concerned. Ive heard stories of old penzoil causing sludge, maybe that was a certain run or blend 40-50 years ago, but none of that applies today.



STP may very well do the same thing as lucas, it is a very sticky oil thickener too, but STP does have some actual zddp anti wear additives, there are VOA's out there on it, it used to have a lot more but still has some and actually says it on the bottle. Either way STP nor lucas stabilizer are snake oils, they do what they say, lucas never claimed to have other additives in it, its just a thickener when needed and has other properties that can help some engines that may need that type of stuff. https://www.stp.com/product/oil-treatment/

If the engine is healthy and the oil is of good quality and correct weight for the engine, most dont need additives, but using a little lucas or stp doesnt hurt anything and can actually help in certain engines.

Alpine & Clarion were a coupe of the better car audio brands, pioneer & kenwood were good too but the higher end stores sold alpine, clarion & a few other brands that werent mainstream.

You're accusing me of assuming? All of your arguments are based on your assumptions. I pretty sure of this and that. WTFE. I'm surprised you didn't argue about the stereo brands. LOL!