[north]

There is a ratty 69 GTO convertible on eBay today. What’s interesting is it has a original looking door jam decal, never seen one before.

The car is a very late production Baltimore car ((7-E) with an early August PHS date. The car is a mess but it looks like the original door with the factory matador red paint in the jam and the convertible shim there. So unlikely the door was changed.

[thepontiacman]

I can't make out what it has on that decal. I haven't seen anything like that in a door jamb on a 69.

thepontiacman@yahoo.com

[steve v]

It looks similar in size to a glove box door tire pressure decal.
Maybe a little horse play on the assembly line that day?

[north]

I can’t figure out how to post the link to the eBay listing from my phone but it’s on eBay now. It’s some kind of tire pressure decal, I think the 68’s had the same thing in the glovebox.

The picture is clearer on the actual eBay listing.

[Pepper Judge]

Tempest K
?? Cyl. Engine D
Vehicle Load Limit
Recommended Tire Pressure
Recommended Minimum Tires

Here is the link North

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Pontia...daY--N&vxp=mtr

[gto4evr]

??? are you guys trying to say a 69 didn't come with that? I had one on a pair of doors from a swap meet years ago. my 69 Lemans vert had one. My 69 Judge had the door repainted but you can see evidence that something was scraped off in that area very poorly before the paint went back over it.

Unfortunately I have no pictures I could find in that area on the vert door before I stripped and repainted it and the original doors went to the crusher long ago..

Inline sells that decal, never checked if Ames PY does/did

[north]

I've never seen one on a 69 and I've owned, boneyarded and parted upteen 69's for almost 40 years. Could it be that very very late in the model year they started adding them? A bit like the emmisions labels for 69. I've never seen one but at least those I've seen many cars that clearly showed the right shaped residue on the rad support.

[gto4evr]

Unfortunately, there's no proof on my Judge that the evidence of removal is actually that decal. It's not like it's a perfect outline of that size. It's ripped paint like a decal that was poorly scraped with maybe a piece of it still there, so it could just as easily have been some oil change shops sticker in the same location. I don't know how I could get the paint off without ruining what might still be printed on the slivers. Funny thing is that there is still a sticker higher up on the door that's painted over right in place so they didn't even bother removing that during the second repaint of the car! I do know it must have been rare since it's come up a few times at car shows during buddy discussion over what's correct or not when we're looking at cars as most people I've talked to didn't believe it to be correct but I most definitely had that on my replacement door I hung on my 69. I thought about taping around it but didn't want the paint job to suffer since it was a full color change.

that rad support sticker I've never been lucky enough to see any residue with the cars around here. I've heard it was a poor adhesive with a paper decal instead of vinyl so once they got wet they went flying.

[north]

Here is a pic of my early production Ventura wagon, you can clearly see it had what looks to be an emissions decal (it even sat a bit under the plastic rad support seal (the red is just a reflection from my socket set that was sitting just outside the edge of the photo.

I have an early production GP that has the exact same looking residue.

That being said the vast majority of untouched 69 engine bays I've owned or come across (and that is a lot) show absolutely no sign of the decal having ever been there.

A likely hypothesis is that they started installing them early in the year but stopped when they realized they had an obvious adhesion problem and for whatever reason they didn't get around to correcting the problem.

[69gtocv]

That tire pressure label was called out in the Factory Assembly Manual initially drawn on 4/3/68. There were a few revisions in March/April/May of 69, but they were only part # changes. I've never seen one either

[gtohurstjudge]

Most cars did not receive them, but a few did. I'm not aware of the
reason for this. I have seen an original one on a 69 Lemans, and it was located in
the same place as the picture in this thread. My car did not come with one of these from the factory, but when the reproduction decals came out I put one on my car because I think it looks cool. The same is true with the emission decal on the radiator support......99 per cent of the cars didn't get one but a few did. I put
one of these on my car as well, although it did not come with one originally.

[Ram Air IV Jack]

Originally Posted by gtohurstjudge

Most cars did not receive them, but a few did. I'm not aware of the
reason for this. I have seen an original one on a 69 Lemans, and it was located in
the same place as the picture in this thread. My car did not come with one of these from the factory, but when the reproduction decals came out I put one on my car because I think it looks cool. The same is true with the emission decal on the radiator support......99 per cent of the cars didn't get one but a few did. I put
one of these on my car as well, although it did not come with one originally.

I don't know how you can put a percentage on the cars with and without this tire pressure decal? I have one of these on my original Judge but don't have an emission decal. My first Judge didn't have either of these decals. Might be something to do with which assembly plant these cars were made in. The door decal is rare for sure but so many people are putting repro junk on their cars and calling it original these days it is hard to tell which is genuine.

[north]

I think he meant by saying 99% that it was very very uncommon to see on original cars. As I mentioned I've spent almost 40 years on 69 A body Pontiacs and back in the 70's-80's when there were lots of these unrestored cars on the streets and boneyards I literally owned, saw, parted etc hundreds of them and I've never seen a door decal on a 69 until I saw the eBay listing I posted a few months ago. I've never even seen a residue trace that looked like the right size (as opposed to gas station stickers etc).

I have also never seen a factory emissions decal on the rad support but I have seen decal residue that could have been. However in all the cases I can recall they were California cars so maybe it was a CARB decal added in the 70's (California 69 cars had to be retro fitted in the 70's with a advance retarding kit that also required the placing of an instruction sticker that was of similar size to the factory one.