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Old 04-16-2018, 12:32 PM
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Default Pedal Trim (excluding Park Brake) - Correct for a Manual Brake Car?

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My 56,000 mile original 1969 Judge has pedal trim (minus Park Brake) and I was told that only Power Brake cars got the trim. Is this correct, looks like these have never been replaced and look to be correct factory originals? This is a 4 speed car as well. Clutch/Brake/Gas all have the trim.

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Old 04-16-2018, 01:55 PM
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I believe that "power brake only" thing is for tempest/lemans. GTO 68+ got the trim regardless as I understand it. I've had two 68 GTO 4 spd cars with manual drums and both had the trim on the pedals.

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Old 04-17-2018, 04:01 PM
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In 1969 Pedal Trim was tied to trim level of the car rather than the presence of power brakes. Pedal Trim was part of the Decor Group 324-Y86 (which was standard equipment on most models). On models that didn't come standard with the decor group: Firebird, Tempest and Catalina; you could get it by ordering the Decor Group or as just a stand alone option (514-JL1)

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Old 04-17-2018, 04:06 PM
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69 with decor group should have stainless trim on emergency /parking brake pedal.... 70 did not

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Old 04-17-2018, 04:49 PM
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Late production 69's also didn't have the parking brake pedal trim, I forget the cutoff date, think its early spring but it is documented by an SB.

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I have an 11,000 mile judge built 1st week of march.
No trim on the parking brake. I've never seen a parking brake pedal with trim in 69 or 70.

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If you mean you’ve never seen one on a 69 Judge that may make sense since the parking brake pedal trim was deleted around the time that the Judge came out.

As I mentioned there is a service bulletin documenting when the pedal trim on the parking brake was dropped. All early production 69 GTOs has the trim on all pedals.

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The bulletin North refers to is 69-I-49 dated 2/24/69, though as always, many exceptions to the "rule" as variations between assembly plants as to when they started deleting these based on trim level. There was a thread years ago on some guys with late model year GTO convertibles that all chimed in as to having the rear rocker trim installed even though their cars were built after this bulletin was issued.
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It appears that the lower rear moldings (rear wheel opening to rear bumper) were never deleted on convertibles. I’ve never seen a 69 convertible with factory quarters without them. Perhaps they didn’t want to produce and stock extra replacement part numbers on lower volume models (stocking quarters with and without the holes to mount the molding cliips).

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It appears that the lower rear moldings (rear wheel opening to rear bumper) were never deleted on convertibles. I’ve never seen a 69 convertible with factory quarters without them. Perhaps they didn’t want to produce and stock extra replacement part numbers on lower volume models (stocking quarters with and without the holes to mount the molding cliips).
Hmmm....maybe, or possibly a trim level thing. My 69 Lemans convertible had factory quarters and no moldings. was a 4A car

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Or maybe it was a plant thing? My 69 GTO ragtop (Fremont built) has them and the car was built right at the end of the model year in late July 69. Interestingly Fremont cars used a different retaining clip than the Baltimore cars. The Baltimore cars used stud pins (like those for windshield molding retention) but the Fremont cars used holes punched in the quarter panels and then a "swell" retainer would be press fit. Perhaps this may be related to why the Fremont plant didn't stop installing the moldings.

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