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Ford = "Made in Mexico?"
I remember all the crap GM got for using a "Jap Engine" when they released the Duramax in 2001. I wonder if Ford will face the same backlash on their new Powerstroke?
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Awe HECHO en Mexico
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At least the profits come back to Dearborn, Mi.
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Yeah, what he said! Dodge trucks have been made in Mexico for years , but it's still an American car Company (Registered). But it is kind of a bummer still. Maybe...on the bright side , Their contracts with International gone , they will be able to pass the savings along to the customer on the new Super Duty to where average people can afford them(Ha Ha Ha) yeah , right.
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Stupid question about this comment(since it has been made on the other end about Toyota's etc that are built here). Is it really better for just the profits to come back here to support the higher-ups at a company, or is it better for the profits that are made to be supporting U.S. citizens that are working the assembly line building the truck? To me I think it would be better to have plants full of people that are able to support their family than CEO's, CFO's etc getting more money and bonus's for "cost savings". Same with building a Toyota here, yes the profits may go back to Japan, but if you have an assembly plant full of people(workers, managers etc) that are all making money, that's a plus for the people that aren't unemployed(?)
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Ask an auto worker that received a layoff his opinion about that. Since you're in Michigan I'm sure it would be easy to find one.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'm more concerned about my fellow American worker then where the "profit" from a car goes. An American worker spends his paycheck here helping our economy, A Mexican worker does not.
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[QUOTE=nonnova;3763100]Ask an auto worker that received a layoff his opinion about that. Since you're in Michigan I'm sure it would be easy to find one.
*********************** Auto Worker can also be a Salaried Worker, Not just a Plant Worker. *********************** Quote:
The Plant in Mexico is a very small part of the overall Ford Work Force. Quote: "Fords Dearborn Truck Plant will resume maximum operation of three shifts in late September. While there are currently three separate crews at the plant, they work on a rotating basis. Each crew works for four weeks and is then on layoff for two weeks, said Ford spokeswoman Marcey Evans. The move will enable all 2,800 employees at Dearborn Truck to work on a full-time basis, removing 900 people from Michigans weekly unemployment rolls. Ford supplements those unemployment payments so workers receive their full wage." UNION WORKERS RECEIVE THEIR FULL WAGE EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE "ON UNEMPLOYMENT" ""You're guaranteed a certain amount of work" under the union's contract with Ford, said Brian Meekins, a trustee at UAW Local 919 at Norfolk Assembly. When Ford idles a plant, "unemployment kicks in and pays us their maximum amount, and then SUB pay kicks in." How come you conveniently forgot to include that little fact Nonnova??? If I am standing in the unemployment line, I AM NOT collecting a full paycheck by a long shot as a salaried worker. One last comment about the Japanese: The Japanese Automobile Manufacturers Association (JAMA), an association of 14 Japanese automakers doing business in America, notes that they collectively employ 3,600 R&D workers at 36 facilities nationwide. But fail to tell the whole story - Thanks largely to Ford, GM and Chrysler, more than 65,000 Americans work in auto R&D in Michigan alone. 3600 R&D workers vs 65,000 R&D (Engineering) American Workers in Michigan alone. Tom Vaught
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"Billion-Dollar Deals, Different Directions: Ford Eyeing Mexico, Toyota Searching U.S." http://www.siteselection.com/ssinsid...t/sf060629.htm Quote:
How many plants does Ford have (or will build in the future) in Mexico and other countries? Quote:
Sounds like a very small part of the overall Ford work force and out of work American auto workers. What about permanent lay offs? How come you conveniently forgot to include that little fact Tom. And when I was on unemployment I didn't get my full paycheck as an hourly, non automotive worker either. What does that have to do with Ford opening a plant in Mexico?
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I have to ask: do you (or did you) work for Ford? |
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No I don't nor did I.
I'm not implying that Ford "spends" or "invests" all it's profits in Mexico. My point is, everytime the discussion comes up about an American car company building a car or component in Mexico somebody says "at least the profit comes here". When the discussion comes up about a Japanese car company building a car or component in America somebody says "but the profit goes to Japan". I'm simply suggesting that these people who make these remarks ask one of the thousands of American auto workers that have lost their job due to a plant closing or "downsizing" if they care where the profit goes. For that matter ask an American worker who works at a Japanese auto plant here in America if he feels guilty for getting a paycheck (that he spends in the U.S.) since the profit from his work goes to Japan. I would rather have my fellow Americans working then care about where the profit goes.
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Mike- we pull several trains a day up from Fords plant in Hermasillo,Mexico.Old news.
Difference being,GM is in-capable of building a competitive diesel engine and contracted with Isuzu.The Ford vehicles are meerly being assembled south of the border. |
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Seems like currently none of the big three use their own diesels in the 3/4 and one ton trucks do they???????
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in 2006, GM sold its entire stake in Isuzu ending the relationship. GM now has no connections with Isuzu.
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Good info. Thanks Mr GTO.
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Brad-the Duramax was an ISUZU engine.Nothing GM in it.
I forgot to mention that the existance of Ford factories outside in Mexico can be squarely blamed on the UAW. And lets not forget that "gem" that GM came up with:Adapt a Oldsmobile 350 block as a diesel.That thing rivaled the 301 for "Piece of sh!t of the decade" award.Well,.........maybe not. |
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WAS being the key word.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duramax_V8_engine http://www.gm.com/experience/technol...max_engine.jsp |
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Isuzu has a long history of making diesels, and despite my dislike of the aluminum heads the Duramaxx seems to be one hellova good engine. Unfortunately Ford is going with aluminum heads also -
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I'll take mine in a 12V configuration : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Od_6H-k9fBg Quote:
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