[71GP76TA]

A little steep on the price IMO. Looks to have originally sold about 30 miles from me.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Pontiac-Tran...US_Cars_Trucks

[keith k]

I'm one of those rare people that actually likes trim rings on '70 - '72 T/As... but only when they're the right ones.
Car has the later style wheels, though, so at least the rings match the wheels

[Bentwheelbob]

It's been through the PY grinder at least once, but I can't find the post. Seeems like lots of incorrect stuff and the seller artfully shows only one engine picture with the inner lip cropped. There was a big debate on the black floor pan primer and the exhaust is wrong. The car made at least two laps on ebay with a top bid in the $50's I think.

[Formulajones]

Originally Posted by Bentwheelbob

There was a big debate on the black floor pan primer

I believe the black floor pans would be correct for this car considering it was likely a Van Nuys car (sold in Stockton).

My original unrestored 70 Formula also has blacked out floor pans, built in Van Nuys and sold new in San Fransisco. Pretty sure most all the Van Nuys F-bodies got the blacked out floor pans while the Norwood built cars were red oxide.

[njsteve]

Van Nuys cars weren't "blacked out" per se, they were just plain black to begin with: Norwood had the red oxide primer submersion tanks but Van Nuys just applied the black primer manually by spray gun.

P.S. if you look at the photo of the rear end cover, you can see a factory hole in the upper bulkhead where you can still see the red oxide primer visible in side it. I would imagine it is a Norwood car that someone blacked out. See orange circle in photo.

[Formulajones]

Thanks for clearifying that Steve, I was on the right track with the plants and black vs red oxide.

I can't say for certain if that floor was red oxide originally or not based off that picture. What I based my decision on is that given the fact this car was sold in Stockton, it's unlikely it was built in Norwood and shipped all the way accross country to sell. It's possible, but I tend to lean more towards it being a Van Nuys car since it was sold on the West Coast.

Mine was the same way, sold in San Fransisco and built at Van Nuys, which makes me believe this one may be in the same boat, makes sense anyway. But when does anything the factory does make sense, lol.

If the seller would have simply put the vin in the add it would clearify that whole deal right away.

['ol Pinion head]

Originally Posted by njsteve

Van Nuys cars weren't "blacked out" per se, they were just plain black to begin with: Norwood had the red oxide primer submersion tanks but Van Nuys just applied the black primer manually by spray gun.

P.S. if you look at the photo of the rear end cover, you can see a factory hole in the upper bulkhead where you can still see the red oxide primer visible in side it. I would imagine it is a Norwood car that someone blacked out. See orange circle in photo.

no imagination needed...

Someone said it best earlier, this ones been through the grinder before, and it wasn't pretty.

[transam1972]

ultimately I do prefer a 72 to 71 (and not because I have one)...I like the grills and revised valance and shaker switches and some plumbing was cleaned up..and I like the perforated vinyl seat/door inserts..I like that this car has a stick..my point is the real deluxe comfortweave that this car has gives the interior a different look, also the deluxe mesh tray and door panels are quite different...71 is trim ringless?..need to fix the heater control and have the engine turned bezel..this cars interior looks to be all original (sorry, front seat covers are replacement) and very nice, however the wrong doorpanel screws stick out painfully...as time moves on even I get more correct (I will still keep my dash chrome bezels though) and will remove my honeycomb trim rings if my car is ever done..and my N.O.S. later door skins and fenders I will deal with...but my problems aside...does that look like the repop Formula steering wheel?..it would be stressless to own a low mileage original but that's not happening

[Formulajones]

Owning a low mile original is actually more stressful in my opinion. I have a couple here, it's much harder to preserve than it is to restore. Then all the peer pressure from others that think you shouldn't have mild patina on a car (it's unavoidable). Some get it, some don't. Survivors have become a big collectors item in recent years, but a pain in the butt to own and even worse than a completely restored car in my opinion. You can't drive them much, adding more patina and mileage devalues the car. At least with a restored car I feel I can do it over again if need be. A survivor is only a one time deal.

[71GP76TA]

I thought it looked familiar.

[1971455HO]

I'm not gett'n in on the what ain't right part (chrome valve covers, '73 up wheels, etc) but he sure as hell is good with a camera. I've been wanting to get some real good pictures of my car. That dull red/grey brick paver type street with grass & trees is perfect for a white car. I can't do it, I'm gonna hire it done.

It's a pretty car..is it correct...NO!

If it sells for within $20,000 of that price, it will be somebody with plenty of cash flow and really doesn't care if it is totally correct or not. Lately, there have been TRIBUTE RA IV '69 TA clones sell for $40K to $50K just like the clone Yenko cars.

I must have been crazy to have searched the planet to get what I needed.

[72projectbird]

Sure is nice. Really pricey though.

[LateBrakeU2]

Looks like there are two more HO's on ebay. The 72 is certainly the most correct and highest level of restoration, and compared to the 71 white car for 10k less asking there is no comparison IMO. The Lucy blue/ivory is a pretty rare combo- out of the Lingenfelter collection but non matching trans and needs a few things to get it even close to the 72,also ten year old restored car. The seller is asking 89k for it. Let's assume the white 71 is overpriced(some here will say all three are), and not considered. What's a better investment for a long term collector given the facts-- the 72, or the blue 71 for 15 k more? I know the blue has the cache, but the white car is pretty much no excuses and well known.

[njsteve]

Yeah, that's my old 72 you're refering to on ebay now. http://www.ebay.com/itm/121523640696...;3AMEBIDX%3AIT



Feel free to critique her. I can take it. ;-)

This is the car in my build thread: http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...433662&page=82

[weranc55]

Originally Posted by njsteve

Yeah, that's my old 72 you're refering to on ebay now. http://www.ebay.com/itm/121523640696...%3AMEBIDX%3AIT



Feel free to critique her. I can take it. ;-)

This is the car in my build thread: http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...433662&page=82

How did the car get in bills hands? Only thing I see Steve is the stamp on the gas tank. To perfect.

[njsteve]

Originally Posted by weranc55

How did the car get in bills hands? Only thing I see Steve is the stamp on the gas tank. Too perfect.

That stamp was an exact copy I made to duplicate the factory stamping, which was really bright until I pressure washed the tank. i had to modify the repro stencil to accurately display the date.

I believe he got it in trade for the flamed 73 SD.

[Formulajones]

Funny you ask. Out of dozens of pics I have of the car I've never taken one that has tried to accent those lower body lines. Went over a bunch of them and this most recent picture I took is probably the closest I have.

If you look at the lower fender just behind the front tire, you can even see where the factory wheel well molding also has an indentation that accents that lower body line. From there you can pick it out. This body line also runs up in front of the tire that is just about parallel to the top of the front valance panel. The shadows are playing tricks and making the front portion more pronounced but it's the same throughout the entire length of the car. Just so happens in this picture the sun is hitting more of the rear portion of the fender. Just hard to see this stuff on these light colored cars if the lighting isn't just perfect.

[johnta1]

That kid probably looks like I think I look like when I see my gold Formula (and yours).
Probably thinking:
"OH MY God, what a beautiful Formula."

[71GP76TA]

Originally Posted by njsteve

Yeah, that's my old 72 you're refering to on ebay now. http://www.ebay.com/itm/121523640696...;3AMEBIDX%3AIT



Feel free to critique her. I can take it. ;-)

This is the car in my build thread: http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...433662&page=82

I see your old car was sold new in CA. Did you buy it form a person in CA? A buddy of mine(named Steve) had a couple of 72's that needed a resto sitting in his backyard.... He sold them both about 10-12 years ago. Wonder if its the same car??

[njsteve]

No, I bought it from TheDude, a member here, who was in PA back in 2004.