[64catdroptop]

I'm working on a Top Secret project (shhhhh) and have run across a very interesting mis-match. This car is a CC paint code car (Cameo Ivory/Cameo Ivory) and the build sheet matches also.

Here is the situation. This car, from the fire wall back was originally painted Tiger Gold poly - then painted Cameo Ivory. The dog-house has never seen a coat of Tiger Gold poly, and still wears it original Cameo Ivory. I've played around on this car enough to know that the Cameo Ivory is likely a factory applied paint.

BTW, that's rust, not Tiger Gold poly on the front fender.

So, is this a factory goof, a color test body, or....... your thoughts. I thought this would spark some good discussion.

-r-

[mike nixon]

Hey, that junker looks familiar!

FWIW, PHS states It's a Cameo Ivory car, Trim Tag confirms it, VIN is unmolested as is the trim tag, unless someone had the correct rivets and did it a LONG time ago. That's not the only thing odd on the car but I'll let that lie til the next thread.

Mike

[64catdroptop]

...just slightly

[65WJ]

If I could only recall where I have seen that car. hmmmmmm It will come to me.



Maybee it was started in one plant then shipped to another for completion? na gm would never do that.


patrick

[64catdroptop]

Mike and I have had some discussion on the car. The doors are a Tiger Gold poly base also (although it's not shown in the pics)

-r-

[65WJ]

Maybe it was damaged in shipment and customer came to pick it up only to see it wrecked. throws a fit so the dealer takes parts off another car on the lot repaints it and customer is happy.

just thinking

patrick

[mike nixon]

Patrick, they had to take the WHOLE BODY off and swap trim and vin tags if that was the case.

[65WJ]

I think I know the answer. Human Error. lol

Yep thats it Human Error.

patrick

[Deadhead]

It sounds like a screw-up occurred on the car somehow. Maybe it was one of those cars like is described in the Smoke Sigs Art. where it fell off the crane and got put off to the side & then run through again when they had another order etc.

Since they painted the front clip separately the body could have gone through as gold, gotten messed up during assembly & out of synch then put back on the line after they got another order. That would explain why the front clip was never gold.

Since the car is the product of a screw-up & is in no way totally perfect, the owner is not going to want to have anything to do with it. In fact, I doubt anyone on this board would be caught dead owning such a reject Ron. You had better just send it on to the crusher.

[64catdroptop]

Since the car is the product of a screw-up & is in no way totally perfect, the owner is not going to want to have anything to do with it. In fact, I doubt anyone on this board would be caught dead owning such a reject Ron. You had better just send it on to the crusher. Today 11:10 AM
I'll let Mike address that comment...

The out of sync, to me, doesn't make sense, unless they would have re-VIN-ed the car and put another trim tag on it. The VIN and trim tag come from the build sheet and the build sheet was produced a day or so before hand.

I'm still leaning toward a test car or someone in the paint booth grabbed the wrong spray gun (like due to ingestion of a beer or two the night before)

And just to give a glimps of what's to come...

-r-

[Deadhead]

Aaaaww he!! It's the Purple Nurple.

That rocks! Glad to see the dream coming to "reality".

[mike nixon]

Keith, this is a serious thread, The car's mine and the color wasn't the only screwy thing with it when I bought it. The white matches the PHS.

Yes It's gonna be Homo Purple to show my feminine side! Should look good with the Rallys.

Re the actual paint color, That wasn't a big deal My supplier called Dupont and I did a test spray on the header panel for my 65 GTO. Looks dead on to me.

Bruce, if GM as like most other asm plants I've been around the Trim and Vin tags were put on in final Assembly.


If the trim tag would've come back as a Gold Car it'd stay Gold, I like the gold you don't have to wash them nearly as much as a White or Black car! This things a driver although it looks as tho it'll be WAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too nice for that when Ron's done abusing it.


There's no pressure on this one to be done, Ron's pushing himself harder than I ever would on this. He's doing it because I didn't want it down for 5 yrs like the rest of my cars end up being when I start on them.

Mike

[BigCat4spd]

Yes It's gonna be Homo Purple to show my feminine side!

She will look LOVELY in homo purple, Mike! And to think that all this time I thought you hated that color.

[mike nixon]

Originally Posted by BigCat4spd

She will look LOVELY in homo purple, Mike! And to think that all this time I thought you hated that color.

REALLY? Where'd that impression come from? Homo Purple is a term of endearment, It's probably my Favorite color in the 65 color chart. Iris Mist is the proper name for those not in the know, Evening Orchid in Chevyspeak and is a one yr color unless it was a special order paint.

Let's HOPE she hides the dirt well!

Mike

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by mike nixon

Keith, this is a serious thread, The car's mine and the color wasn't the only screwy thing with it when I bought it. The white matches the PHS.

Thanks, Mike. I couldn't quite tell...

Originally Posted by Deadhead

Keith-

When did the VIN & cowl tags get put on? At what stage of assembly process?

Any plant that I've been in, they were put on the first operation of the Trim Area (as the body came out of the Paint Area).

Prior to that, in the body shop and in the paint shop, the body was tracked by what we called the "CSN", or "Carrier Sequence Number".

The VIN tag relating to the specific dealer order and with the correction option content had already been created, just not affixed to that specific body.

K

[justaguy]

I work in an assembly plant myself and the vin doesn't go on until late in the assembly process, long after its been painted. I would have thought that they would have just sent a new body throught the assembly process rather than repaint the existing. It's much cheaper in the long run. They would either wait until a car was needed in that color (provided it happenned early enough) or if it was too late in the process, or if a bad defect in the paint was dicscovered that wasn't easily repaired they would just scrap it out. (A shame though, I would love to get a REALLY cheap new vehicle with a defective paint job or wrong options). Anyway, it's neat to see when a mistake gets through, or at least that's what it appears to be.

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by justaguy

I work in an assembly plant myself and the vin doesn't go on until late in the assembly process, long after its been painted. I would have thought that they would have just sent a new body throught the assembly process rather than repaint the existing. It's much cheaper in the long run. They would either wait until a car was needed in that color (provided it happenned early enough) or if it was too late in the process, or if a bad defect in the paint was dicscovered that wasn't easily repaired they would just scrap it out. (A shame though, I would love to get a REALLY cheap new vehicle with a defective paint job or wrong options). Anyway, it's neat to see when a mistake gets through, or at least that's what it appears to be.

I agree, although I wouldn't describe the Trim Area (as described in my previous post) as "late in the assembly process", since you still have all of trim and all of Final to get through.

I do agree, though, it's pretty cheap to manufacture a body and therefore makes sense to scrap it out and start over. Especially if it was damaged in the body or paint shops; I am less inclined to think they (we) would do that for a completely finished, trimmed out body.

I dunno -

K

[mike nixon]

As a side note, I'm going to have to get my ass in gear and get some other parts rounded up for this thing. Ron's way ahead of me in this process.

[Stuart]

There's an iris mist '65 GP on the Minneapolis Craigslist right now. An Arizona car with a factory THREE speed. Needs restoration, but it's pretty tempting.

[My442]

At the BOP Framingham plant, I saw a car that had two different quater panels on it. It was a '73 Pontiac LeMans.

One side was the colonade window (triangle shaped), and the other side had the Cutlass window (rectangular). It was going into final trim.

The car was pulled off the line, and they cut off the wrong quarter and welded on a new one.