[carbking]

For those who believe in the tooth fairy:



Jon

[carbking]

Sorry about the orientation of the picture.

Jon.

[carbking]

And the rest of the story............................................. .................



Jon

[77 TRASHCAN]

Jon, I bet those work well with a Fish Carburetor, lol!!

Have you ever seen a Fish carb???

[carbking]

Originally Posted by 77 TRASHCAN

Jon, I bet those work well with a Fish Carburetor, lol!!

Have you ever seen a Fish carb???

Yes,fFrom my website:

https://www.thecarburetorshop.com/Ca...serknownbrands

Jon

[1968firebird455]

Very cool site carbking! Thanks for sharing.

[Cliff R]

You can't watch a Youtube video without some advertisement coming on telling of some fired employee or High School genius working in the chemistry lab who found a way to get another 40mpg's from your daily driver. At the end of all the "drama" and BS stories they link you to someplace that's going to try to unload your wallet buying some POS part that doesn't work.

I wonder how many folks buy into all that BS?.........

[necdb3]

Originally Posted by Cliff R

You can't watch a Youtube video without some advertisement coming on telling of some fired employee or High School genius working in the chemistry lab who found a way to get another 40mpg's from your daily driver. At the end of all the "drama" and BS stories they link you to someplace that's going to try to unload your wallet buying some POS part that doesn't work.

I wonder how many folks buy into all that BS?.........

We had fun with my warranty administrator at one of the dealers. He bought a "fuel Ionizer" that was supposed to give him better fuel economy. We added a gallon of fuel to his tank daily for a week. He became an immediate believer until we stopped adding the fuel. He spent weeks trying to figure out why that happened, calling the company on the phone explaining how it only worked for a week. After about a month, we told him.

[GT182]

Now that was funny necdb3. You should have taken a gallon out after stopping adding a gallon.

It's like throwing rice under a Honda motorcycle when a guy says his doesn't leak oil.

[necdb3]

Originally Posted by GT182

Now that was funny necdb3. You should have taken a gallon out after stopping adding a gallon.

It's like throwing rice under a Honda motorcycle when a guy says his doesn't leak oil.

That was our thought except then we were playing with his car. We would have to open a fuel line and didn't want to get that far into it. Adding fuel is harmless and extremely easy, removing it? I didn't want to take that chance. I was also the service director of that dealership and thought I would control it before it got out of hand.

Dave

[sdbob]

I wonder though what oil or vehicle cos have found out in the lab to increase mileage. Have they kept it secret for the fear of lost $ or what it is now that's it?

[tempest1964]

"I wonder how many folks buy into all that BS?........."

PT Barnum said 'There's a sucker born every minute'. And I believe him.

[Tom Vaught]

Biggest change in F.E. occurred with lower numerical axle ratios and more gears in the transmissions. Example: GM/Ford's efforts to produce a viable transmission with strength, and 7, 8, or 10 speeds.

Corvettes: 10 Speeds, F-150 Trucks: 10 speeds, a few still have 7 speeds or 6 speeds.

Turn the engine slower, you get fewer Combustion events (less Power Pulses), use less fuel, and have less wear on the engines.

So many, many years ago when there were Transmissions with Over Drive, the fuel consumed was less in over-drive mode.

History ALWAYS has Lessons IF you are Willing to Listen.

Tom V.

[turbo69bird]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Biggest change in F.E. occurred with lower numerical axle ratios and more gears in the transmissions. Example: GM/Ford's efforts to produce a viable transmission with strength, and 7, 8, or 10 speeds.

Corvettes: 10 Speeds, F-150 Trucks: 10 speeds, a few still have 7 speeds or 6 speeds.

Turn the engine slower, you get fewer Combustion events (less Power Pulses), use less fuel, and have less wear on the engines.

So many, many years ago when there were Transmissions with Over Drive, the fuel consumed was less in over-drive mode.

History ALWAYS has Lessons IF you are Willing to Listen.

Tom V.

That helped towing capacities quiet a bit too, who woukd have ever thought we’d see 8 -10 speed transmissions in a passenger vehicle . That was a huge improvement and they’ve been durable too. Now the VNT transmissions are another story. Good idea badly implemented. For those who don’t know that type trans is kind of like a snowmobile no gears really.

I’d add EFI as a huge fuel saver as well, that’s an interesting one because it appears to have increased longevity but it’s hard to tell because the odometer change came i. About the same time where car could total more than 100k miles and the interstate systems got expanded around that time too so lots of variables.

Turbos could have Been used much more effectively on gas cars too but The big 3 always sized them too small because of power to weight and warranty concerns , sadly they made so much heat they ended up with a ton of warranty issues anyway. Poor turbos never get a break, first had draw through to deal with especially in boats (bad implementation) then the poor sizing issues, now ford gets it right and electric comes in to blow it out of the water . Too little too late for turbos .

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by turbo69bird

That helped towing capacities quite a bit too, who would have ever thought we’d see 8 -10 speed transmissions in a passenger vehicle . That was a huge improvement and they’ve been durable too. Now the VNT transmissions are another story. Good idea badly implemented. For those who don’t know that type trans is kind of like a snowmobile no gears really.

Turbos could have Been used much more effectively on gas cars too but The big 3 always sized them too small because of power to weight and warranty concerns , sadly they made so much heat they ended up with a ton of warranty issues anyway. THAT IS 1963 TIME FRAME.

Answer:

THE WARRANTY COMPLAINTS CAME FROM mostly ONE TURBO MANUFACTURER. EVEN BEFORE THE 1979 MUSTANG. SINCE THEN THE COMPANY HAS BEEN BANKRUPT/NAMED CHANGED A FEW TIMES. Same supplier still does some of the larger GVW vehicles with the non gas engines.

The OTHER supplier or turbos has done well on the smaller engines like the 2.7 liter and 3.5 liter engines. Very few Turbo issues.



"Poor turbos never get a break, first had draw through to deal with especially in boats (bad implementation) then the poor sizing issues, now Ford gets it right and electric comes in to blow it out of the water . Too little too late for turbos .

"

It will be a while before Electric is dominant. Calif is trying to make that happen though. I worked on ELECTRIC turbos but that never really took off.
Electric does not need a turbo unless a Hybrid.

Tom V.

[fiedlerh]

I always get a kick out of the "magic carburetor" stories. It's always an uncle or former co-worker with a "secret carburetor" that was "accidentally installed" on their car. Having the government/dealer/big oil confiscate the carburetor adds to the BS factor.
Basic physics say there isn't enough energy in gasoline and not enough mechanical efficiency in a 1960's production engine to get 60-200 mpg.

Speaking of a humorous MPG story*...
Two Sun Electric engineers teamed up to compete in one of those fuel economy contests that the oil companies ran in the 60's or 70's. They ran a Corvette. They narrowly missed finishing first. Being engineers they calculated the cause of their narrow loss was because of the extra weight of a celebratory 12 pack of beer they stowed on the car.

*For you historians, I could not find details on past contestants, so I believe this was a local event and not one of the well-known nationwide contests.

[SRR]

Originally Posted by fiedlerh

I always get a kick out of the "magic carburetor" stories. It's always an uncle or former co-worker with a "secret carburetor" that was "accidentally installed" on their car. Having the government/dealer/big oil confiscate the carburetor adds to the BS factor.
Basic physics say there isn't enough energy in gasoline and not enough mechanical efficiency in a 1960's production engine to get 60-200 mpg.

Speaking of a humorous MPG story*...
Two Sun Electric engineers teamed up to compete in one of those fuel economy contests that the oil companies ran in the 60's or 70's. They ran a Corvette. They narrowly missed finishing first. Being engineers they calculated the cause of their narrow loss was because of the extra weight of a celebratory 12 pack of beer they stowed on the car.

*For you historians, I could not find details on past contestants, so I believe this was a local event and not one of the well-known nationwide contests.

Heard those stories when I worked at Balch Pontiac back in the 70's.

[Formulabruce]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

Biggest change in F.E. occurred with lower numerical axle ratios and more gears in the transmissions. Example: GM/Ford's efforts to produce a viable transmission with strength, and 7, 8, or 10 speeds.

Corvettes: 10 Speeds, F-150 Trucks: 10 speeds, a few still have 7 speeds or 6 speeds.

Turn the engine slower, you get fewer Combustion events (less Power Pulses), use less fuel, and have less wear on the engines.

So many, many years ago when there were Transmissions with Over Drive, the fuel consumed was less in over-drive mode.

History ALWAYS has Lessons IF you are Willing to Listen.

Tom V.

Yup, GM built Overdrive automatic transmissions during WW2. only took the Cafe standards 33 years later to get them into cars .

[carbking]

Tom - did you ever drive a 2-ton (or larger) with O.D.?

Get the truck to the speed you wanted, push in the clutch, flip the O.D. switch, wait a few seconds until you actually heard (and felt) the O.D. engage, and then release the clutch.

A true fuel-saving method during WWII (rationing), at least in north-central Missouri, was to remove the accelerator pump COMPLETELY from the carburetor. 50 years ago, we had several come in with no pump.

Jon.

[Tom Vaught]

Originally Posted by carbking

Tom - did you ever drive a 2-ton (or larger) with O.D.?

Get the truck to the speed you wanted, push in the clutch, flip the O.D. switch, wait a few seconds until you actually heard (and felt) the O.D. engage, and then release the clutch.

A true fuel-saving method during WWII (rationing), at least in north-central Missouri, was to remove the accelerator pump COMPLETELY from the carburetor. 50 years ago, we had several come in with no pump.

Jon.

Yes, I have driven several older vehicles with Over-drive installed and yes, you paid attention to what the
vehicle speed was vs the engine rpm.

And if you were good on the gas (Throttle) lever and if you matched the speed correctly, the accelerator pump
(if it had one) was rarely used except going up a steep hill.

Thanks for the memory.

Tom V.