[Jerry H.]

Been owning and restoring 65 GTO's for over 30 years but never, ever heard of a 65 with a bench seat. How about this one. Claims to have documentation.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...e=STRK:MEWA:IT

[BOB VIDAN]

Damn it Andre, I scratched my head until I got bald trying to see what didn't look right about that car and think you are dead right on the door panel emblem and interior. Emblem is 64 only to my knowledge and interior looks 64 also.

[post toastie]

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-pontiac-gto-3/ I think this the 64 that was on bring a trailer in 2016 which shows the phs and the not for the benchseat

[post toastie]

Originally Posted by post toastie

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-pontiac-gto-3/ I think this the 64 that was on bring a trailer in 2016 which shows the phs and the not for the benchseat

my bad, shows the buildsheet and note for benchseat

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

The passenger side rearview mirror shown on the 2016 BaT listing was a first for me.
It clamps onto the radio antenna.

Auxillary fuel tank from Sears in the trunk is sorta wild too.
Must have been put in during the 1973 oil embargo deal

[Goatoligst]

In response to Stevep if the guy your talking about is Paul I seen the car too. Its a floor shift and radio delete.

[Tom Vaught]

I believe Mike Cooper (of 63 Tempest fame)
was supposed to have a unique 64 GTO seat
combination too! Don't remember if it was a
bench seat deal or the three on the tree column deal.

As far as being able to put a bench seat in a 65 GTO, my brother-in-law had a FACTORY 65 442
Olds (4 speed naturally) with bench seat so I do know the other brands offered it.

Agree that the car is built with 64 door trim.

Forgot to look and see when the car was made.
Did anyone see that info?

Tom V.

[post toastie]

wow even has tri power with 2 speed.

[Baron Von Zeppelin]

Good research to find that old Bring a trailer listing.
Gives more insight to how it really lived.

Besides the oddity of bench seat , it was also a Flat Hood Car.
Think one or two others have been documented with Flat Hoods , that actually said Tempest Hood, or to that effect, on their PMD documents.
Suppose that data was involved with its special order bulletin P1934.
Would have been awesome if they had that document too.

The next owner replaced the hood .

[Tom Vaught]

Depending on WHO the purchaser was, and (WHO HE KNEW) can have a big impact on this vehicle.

I have seen similar things when I worked for my uncle's Pontiac dealership.

A guy limps in to the dealership in 1971 with a 1969 Judge with a
Ram Air 4 engine: (Aluminum intake and headers on the car).

Deal is the intake is an Edelbrock installed by
the receiving dealer in Chicago and the cast iron round port headers are now tube headers.

I told my uncle the car is modified and no way was the factory going to stand behind that car (it can in with a rod knock).

Boy! Was I wrong!

This guy knew someone!

A Factory rep was sent out by this guy's friend. The rep looked at the car.
I mentioned the aluminum intake and the tube headers. The rep said the
car was sold with an aluminum intake and headers from the factory and
any good lawyer in the country will be able to make GM pay.

The factory sent out a complete long block, I installed it, with the
Edelbrock intake and tube headers and the guy went on his way.

True story!

Tom V.

I firmly believe someone who had connections could get anything he wanted installed (on the factory's tab) by a dealer, including the mentioned
interior (bench seat).

Tom V.

[Jim Doran]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stevep:
There is a guy on the MA./CT.border with a 65 bench seat GTO.It has the GTO/Lemans seat pattern with a fold down center armrest.I didn't see any paperwork,but if someone made this seat,they did a great job.
He bought the car this way and is a legit guy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

SteveP, the gentleman you are referring to is Paul. He is a friend of mine. He does in fact have what you describe, however I have not seen the documentation. He does claim it to be legit and he owns over 10 GTOs with most being 65. I have some pics of his car, but nothing substantial on the interior.

[Andre]

Something about that car just isn't right.

I suppose you could have gotten a car with a power bench seat, but I would have thought that it would have the interior scheme of a '65 Lemans 4 door bench seat, and not the 2tone Tempest interior. Also noted the door panel emblem is from a '64 Lemans.

There really are not enough pictures to tell the story on this car, but I think it started it's life as a Tempest Custom.

[pontiachp]

Hey guys......I just bought this car last weekend!!!! I thought it was great to find a thread talking about the interior. I was intrigued by it also. I checked all of the paperwork from PHS, dealer sales invoices, window sticker and everything....the car is a legit GTO which has a bucket seat deduct and bench seat addition on the production card from PHS.

[bigpop]

Hum,no reply from the seller on my request for documentation.Draw your own conclusions.In my EM to him,I stated that I was very serious about buying this car if he could provide the information to show it's uniqueness and rarity..My conclusion,a bull**** artist trying to make a fast buck from an unaware buyer,pitiful.

[pontiachp]

The car is in super condition. There are a few things on the body plate that I've never seen before. The car is a PON car. The window sticker and invoice originally spec'd out a power bucket seat. The written dealer invoice for the car had "bench seat" as a spec. The factory production card reflected a "- bucket", "+ bench". The peculiar thing about this notation is that the date on this activity was 2 months after delivery to dealer in Detroit, MI. One conclusion that you can draw from this is that the origianl owner bought the car and did not want the bucket seat and took it back for a bench seat install?? I was told that the owner wanted a bench, not bucket....so maybe he bought the car and Pontiac ordered the parts and retrofitted later for the purchaser?? Could of happened many ways....believe me this is a factory fit interior in superb original condition. I seen a '65 Tempest that has the same type of door panels.

[Tom Vaught]

If it had a 409 engine in it or a BB Chebby
engine in it it most likely was from our brothers in the North!

Saw a very nice dual quad 409 65 lemans type
car on I-401 one night in the early 70s.
BIG CAM!

Tom V.

[The Champ]

Never heard or seen of one either, but he claims to have the PHS documentation and the original window sticker and order form.

As with any '64 or '65 GTO, I would have to see the PHS info regardless of whether or not it had the 5N code.

He claims it's rare, but is a bench seat car with column shift desireable???

[stevep]

Guys,yes I am referring to Paul Menin.He is a stand up guy.I have known him for MANY years.I would not question what he says.
I also learned something a long time ago:when it comes to what was available in the 60's,NOTHING IS WRITTEN IN STONE!

[Goatoligst]

Yes I have and the owner claims it is factory.
I also have seen back in 1967 A friend of mine ordered a 1967 GTO H/T and it came with Lemans Interior. Including the grab handle. Obviosly a pontiac screw up.

[GT182]

Old Goat 67 (Charles Broussard) had a factory bench seat in his 67 GTO but converted to bucket seats years ago. His son Steven has the car now.