[Judge Smails]

What a piece of work this guy is...he "won" a "buy-it-now" listing of mine...in MARCH...for a SEVEN DOLLAR smog pump. I ship to US only, he's in Norway...grrr...but I later discovered he supposedly has a US address available at a shipping terminal when I went ahead and sent the invoice anyway. FOUR WEEKS LATER after ABSOLUTELY NO RESPONSE of ANY kind, I filed an Unpaid Item report (wow, was THAT ever productive!). Finally responded (feebly) and said he'd send some form of pymt I've never heard of. No further response AT ALL after several more attempts at contact. THREE WEEKS later, I finally gave up and negged him (in May). Lo and behold, YESTERDAY, JULY 14TH, he gave me a retaliatory neg-- in complete jibberish, no less-- for this listing which closed on MARCH 17TH! Thus, my 6+ yr, 100% rating is history because of this...and ebay never even refunded the (pitifully small, but still) Final Value Fee! I also, judging by what I've heard of past incidents like this, don't expect them to lift a finger to remove this neg, at least not without expecting me to agree to a mutual withdrawal (fat chance). No wonder people are leaving ebay in droves!

[mitchgto]

I had a problem with ebay where someone had phished my account and claimed I bought something and never paid. I went back and forth with ebay about this but they wouldnt budge so my 100% feedback took a sh!t thanks to this a$$hole and ebay

[INJUNTOM]

yep, the fact that A-holes can leave neg feedback when they are in the wrong just because you leave neg for good reason keeps me from doing it.

i'd rather take a few lumps and still have my 100% ....just a bummer that there are some on there that deserve worse feedback than they get.

for the most part, i've had good luck on there.

[INJUNTOM]

finally got payment yesterday on an item...took him 2 weeks to get ahold of me, and then says "i guess i'll send you a money order"

3 weeks later i got it....very low price on new pistons

[GTO JOHN]

You can set up your selling preferences to block certain bidders from foreign countries, and those with more than two upaid items strikes. That weeds out alot of hassle from the start. I also block specific ebayers who are a known problem. As a seller I never leave feedback until it is received from the buyer.

[Dave Wanichek]

Originally Posted by GTO JOHN

As a seller I never leave feedback until it is received from the buyer.

Exactly!! :Peace: And everything that is shipped now I use delivery confirmation...Did you know that if a person pays with Paypal they can easily contact them and say they never received the item and get their money refunded? As well as make off with the item purchased!! grrrrrrrr!!!

[trs13]

Originally Posted by Dave Wanichek

Exactly!! :Peace: And everything that is shipped now I use delivery confirmation...Did you know that if a person pays with Paypal they can easily contact them and say they never received the item and get their money refunded? As well as make off with the item purchased!! grrrrrrrr!!!

I had this problem and call the local cops whent over to him and told him if he did not send the money right away he would be chard with retail theft. Wow did i get the money fast.

[KEVGTO]

Originally Posted by GTO JOHN

You can set up your selling preferences to block certain bidders from foreign countries, and those with more than two upaid items strikes. That weeds out alot of hassle from the start. I also block specific ebayers who are a known problem. As a seller I never leave feedback until it is received from the buyer.

I never understood this. I've done lots of selling and buying on ebay.
The part I don't get is as a seller I should leave feedback upon the buyer paying quickly in a timely manner and making good contact.
In turn he/she should leave me proper feedback based on item description, promtness to ship, and packaging.

Why is it alot of sellers won't leave me feedback until I leave them theres.
I bought something awhile back and the seller never left me a bit of feedback, so in turn I never left him any. 2-3 months go by and then he starts harassing me for feedback. I tell him to leave me mine for the paypal payment I made within minutes of auction end and I'll leave him some. Still no feedback. 30 days go by and he contacts me again asking for feedback. I tell him to forget it, cause he aint' getting any until he leaves mine. He in turn says he don't need feedback then. I have 100% positive so it's not hurting me any really, his loss.

Whatta MORON

[Jeff Hamlin]

Dork sellers do not leave feedback upon payment Just because they are phuking jagoffs! ebay needs to change this!
I never leave feedback unless the seller puts theirs in first, Plain & simple!
I always pay and pay on time, no reason thease dics should hole me hostage.
Also agree with above, I block out every A-Hole that jerks me around.
Sadly ebay is becoming a waste of time for good old auctioning.
They need to get back to their roots of being an auction site.
Not a store with all this buy it now bull ****e

OK NOW HAVE A NICE DAY! ;)

[kookykrispy]

Jeff, I am willing to bet you do not sell much on ebay, so you don't understand a seller's point of view, or why many of us have made it policy to not leave feedback until it is first left for us. I have been selling on ebay now for 5 years. It is the buyer's responsibility to start the feedback ball rolling. The feedback the buyer leaves for the seller is much more important than any that a seller leaves for a buyer.
A buyer should comment once the item is received as advertised in a timely manner. If there is a problem with the item, contact the buyer so they have a chance to make it right. A seller's feedback rating is very important for his reputation on ebay. I will not leave any feedback, positive or negative, for any buyers until they leave it for me first. This allows me to retain the option of returning a negative and then petitioning to have the feedback mutually withdrawn. This is my only recourse against buyers who want to leave a negative. If there is any kind of actual problem with an item I sold I will do everything I can as a seller to remedy the problem. In the past this has meant I issued full refunds and wrote it off as a loss. I would rather take a loss than receive negative feedback on a sale. If buyers like Jeff feel they do not want to leave feedback first, I guess we just don't leave any feedback for each other... no big deal, I have a 355 rating with 98.9& positive... I don't really need your positive point, and I don't waste my time sending emails hassling people to leave feedback. Leaving feedback is completely optional for both parties. But I simply will not take the risk of a buyer leaving me a negative where I have no recourse to do anything about it.

It really is almost impossible to have a 100% feedback rating, because some (very few, but they are out there) people are just unreasonable and want to act like total jerks. If you want to maintain a 100% positive rating, you must be extremely shrewd. I would say just proper honest business practices and putting the customer first will always pay off in whatever you do.
I try to be the best seller I can and will do anything to make sure a transaction is a good experience for the buyer. My feedback rating reflects this.

[Dave Wanichek]

well said kk....i got burned awhile ago when i sold some magazines....guy won 3 different auctions...3 different magazines....he paid and i left feedback and sent out his items...1 magazine was damaged in the mail and i in turn was left 3 negative feedbacks(and those are the only i have ever received!!)...all because he didnt want insurance....now tell me that is fair?? i guess it is since i'm one of those phuking jagoffs that with holds feedback now :rolleyes:

[68BeaumontSD]

Originally Posted by kookykrispy

It is the buyer's responsibility to start the feedback ball rolling. The feedback the buyer leaves for the seller is much more important than any that a seller leaves for a buyer.
A buyer should comment once the item is received as advertised in a timely manner. If there is a problem with the item, contact the buyer so they have a chance to make it right. A seller's feedback rating is very important for his reputation on ebay. I will not leave any feedback, positive or negative, for any buyers until they leave it for me first. This allows me to retain the option of returning a negative and then petitioning to have the feedback mutually withdrawn. This is my only recourse against buyers who want to leave a negative.

This is probably one of the dumbest post I have seen about Ebay and the feedback system. Basically what you are saying here is that if I win one of your auction and pay you immediately through Paypal you will not leave me positive feedback until I leave it for you. Just for the sake of argument, say I win your auction and pay as I'm supposed to and you send me something that is not as you described in the auction. I shouldn't have to contact you and tell you that you send me junk then go through the hassle of repacking the item, going to the post office and getting stuck with shipping charges both ways. If I win your auction and have to go through all this, you are getting a negative feedback. Now, what you are saying here is that because I left you negative feedback, you will leave me a negative feedback when I did absolutely nothing wrong. In my opinion, Ebayers that leave retalitory feedback should be banned from Ebay. If I deserve a bad feedback, by all means, leave it. But if I have done everything exactly as I am supposed to, leave my positive feedback. I have been using Ebay for over 8 years and have a rating of over 1500 and have never received a negative feedback. When I sell, I always leave feedback as soon as the buyer pays because it's the right thing to do.
James

[26667]

I disagree with both of the above posts. I believe it is the SELLERS responsibility to leave the feedback as soon as buyer has fulfilled his obligation. If the buyer chooses to leave feedback, so be it. I feel that by leaving initial feedback, this compels me as a seller to stand behind my item.

In my selling experiences, if there is a problem with the item, it is dealt with at that time. Yes, I have had a few minor problems in shipping, one verifiable. All have been handled satisfactorally.

If you should care to take the time to look, any item i sell will get feedback posted upon shipment. My username is the same as here. Most buyers reciprocate, but not all. All of my feedback received as a seller is posted AFTER I have left mine for buyer. I feel it just helps me to be accurate in my descriptions and photos.

Three things I despise on ebay are; 1) Sellers who are feedback collectors and hound the buyer to leave theirs first. 2) Sellers who stand ready to retaliate with a tit for tat negative, regardless of the nature of complaint. 3) Buyers or sellers who try to slam the others with derogatory remarks. I learn more about the people leaving such comments than the person they are directed to.

[dedsleds]

[QUOTE=26667]I disagree with both of the above posts. I believe it is the SELLERS responsibility to leave the feedback as soon as buyer has fulfilled his obligation. If the buyer chooses to leave feedback, so be it. I feel that by leaving initial feedback, this compels me as a seller to stand behind my item.



I AGREE TOTALLY, AND DO THE SAME THING!
ERIC

[dedsleds]

i had a 100% positive feedback with near 1400 transactions and i got nailed on a 1.04 item! some sport illustraded mags from the 80's. he never contacted me for a refund, which i would have given him, and he said i misrepresented them. i even sent him extras from another auction that didn't sell! a$$hole told me that what feedback is for! i asked a$$hole to take it back and he wouldn't. he thought i didn't care. that i was just getting rid of stuff. i was, and i stated that fact in the auction! anyway, i felt he got off on sticking it to me, and ruining my perfect score. NOW, i don't kiss peoples' butts anymore on ebay, and i feel better about it! there are other things in life to worry about anyway. LATER!

[nova7579]

You can have a negative removed for a $20 fee. As long as the person leaving the negative does not respond to the e-bay e-mail request for there side of the story. I think that the feedback system should be changed. The buyer should leave the feedback first. This shows the seller that they are satisified with the item and then the seller can leave feedback at that time. I also think that e-bay should be forced to sell Paypal. I really miss Bidpay.

Brian

[Jeff Hamlin]

I do buy & sell.
I'm not a power seller but ALWAYS post feed back upon receipt of payment.
That's how it's set up to work and that's how it should have to be.

[copper128]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hamlin

I do buy & sell.
I'm not a power seller but ALWAYS post feed back upon receipt of payment.
That's how it's set up to work and that's how it should have to be.

I agree completely. I always leave good feedback for a buyer who pays in the correct form in a timely manner. If they follow the instructions and pay on time, they have fulfilled their obligation to me, period. If they choose to leave undeserved neg feedback, so be it. I'll respond to it as I see fit and hope other buyers bother to read my response. It used to be a big deal to me to maintain 100% positive rating.... until I got my first retaliatory neg from a non-paying bidder. Add in a few more screwballs that I just couldn't make happy no matter what. Now I don't care. I just do it the way it's designed to work and it mostly takes care of itself. 99+% at 445 shows it still works out overall. Nobody should be scared off from a seller who's had a couple scattered negs or neutrals. When you see a couple in a row, then it's time to run.

Glenn

[AMH555]

I have been selling mostly vintage toy items on eBay since early '98 and have a 100% rating with 2615 transactions, probably bought about 20-30 things so it is all from buyers. Know what your selling and describe the condition with brutal honesty and good pics. I had been collecting old toys and slot cars for years before eBay. I always leave positive feedback for the buyer first, way more likely to work things out if you were good to them. Put a nice hand signed letter in the package thanking them for their purchase and explain if there are any problems at all to contact you. Pack the stuff nicely too, like you would want it packed. I only take returns if I made an error in the description, only have had a few returns. I also use priority mail with tracking almost 100%. Never had a problem with the USPS, broken and missing with the other guys, plus I get free boxes and shipping labels delivered to my front door from the USPS. I file a non paying bidder report with eBay and the people usually pay up, most of the time they are new and don't realize they won and aren't watching. If they don't pay just relist, even if you don't eBay will refund your fees on the non paying bidder auction. Don't leave negative feedback for them, I know it is frustrating and you need to vent, but then your just asking for it. I found that eBay will usually suspend them if they lose money, and they can't do a thing to you then. I agree it is not what it used to be, used to be able to make some good extra cash but fees and shipping costs plus gas and time to find stuff has made it not worth the trouble, until you find something good! :D

Just my 2 cents worth,

Allan

[dragula81]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hamlin

I do buy & sell.
I'm not a power seller but ALWAYS post feed back upon receipt of payment.
That's how it's set up to work and that's how it should have to be.

Agreed 100%! I am (or was) a Powerseller and this is the way it was intended to be done from the beginning. I owned a legitimate ebay business (an LLC) and I have had several thousand transactions. I have 100% POSITIVE feedback w/ZERO negatives or neutrals. It is possible to not get any bad feedback. Sometimes it costs me in pride and money but in the long run, I'm convinced that my auctions bring higher bids because of my feedback so in the long run it's made me money. I have been told by NUMEROUS buyers that the only reason they bid as high as they did on some auctions was because of my feedback.

I ran across a powerseller the other day with OVER 20,000 100% POSITIVE feedbacks. :eek: Over 20k feedback and he had NO negatives or neutrals. That guys works hard to make things right.