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#1
03-27-2009, 12:14 AM
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69 Ram Air III (non-Judge) Cars
These cars are actually rarer than Judges with 1,701 Hardtops (1,249 MT; 452 AT) and 259 Convertibles (175 MT; 84 AT) built total for 1969.
I have even seen one that was a special order Carousel Red paint Ram Air III 4-spd NON JUDGE. Cost more to make that one than to order a Judge. Go figure. What is everyones opinion on value of a RA III GTO non-Judge compared to standard GTOs and Judges themselves? |
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#2
03-27-2009, 12:59 AM
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I think that they are neat. It would be worth more to me being that I am in the hobby and appreciate the unique. Not as flashy as the Judge option, but still cooler than your standard GTO. Price between the flashy Judge and a Standard GTO. To the right person, however, it might hold even more value due to exclusivity. But you should not trust me...I'm a 68 guy. uhoh...
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03-27-2009, 02:00 AM
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I agree with Kurt. We have a 69 RAIII HT coming in that is optioned perfectly... Liberty Blue, m21, 3.90 limited slip, hideaways, hood tach, gages, ralleys, console. Same owner has a RA III Convert, white with red interior. Both cars were bought for money between a Judge and a well optioned GTO.
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Paul FAST Automotive -The Pontiac restoration shop, not the fuel injection guys! I had the name first. My site... needs updated- www.fastrestorations.com 68 GTO's (RA II, RA I, HO, convert, Pro Street, Racecar, etc.), 2 69 GTO Judges, 70 GTO racecar -10.77 @ 124mph, 68 Tempest survivor, 3 03 Aztecs! |
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#4
03-27-2009, 02:24 AM
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I prefer them myself as I was never much into the wings and stickers options on the Judges. I'd love to have a non-Judge RA anything.
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03-27-2009, 08:03 AM
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i still have a vedero green 4 speed one. many years ago i traded steved a carousel red one that was a very loaded up 4 speed. sure wish i had kept that one.
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03-27-2009, 09:02 AM
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I had an unusual '69 column shift auto RAIII. It had bucket seats too. Colors were Verdoro Green with gold interior.
A RAIII hardtop still seems to be a fairly priced car. I've seen people ask in the $60s for convertibles though. Judges seem to be double what a standard GTO costs. Maybe a RAIII GTO is worth 30% more than a standard GTO? |
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#7
03-27-2009, 09:12 AM
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A friend of mine has a 69 hardtop RA III red with red interior, 4-speed and AC that he is restoring. I wonder how many came in that color combo?
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#8
03-27-2009, 10:58 AM
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Paul, That Liberty Blue car sounds fantastic!
slowgto, I remember your car it was on ebay about 4 years ago I think. I agree these cars are still undervalued and you get a huge bang for the buck. Good discussion so far. Anyone have more info/stories/cars to share? |
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#9
03-27-2009, 11:16 AM
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I owned a RA4 GTO several yrs ago for a short time, light green metallic, low miles, 4 spd. Then I got a conscience before I cut it up for a race car and traded it off.
Mike
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#10
03-27-2009, 12:05 PM
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It breaks my heart to talk about this car. I sold it a couple years ago to a member here. Originally Mayfair.
 
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03-27-2009, 04:30 PM
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Here's PHS and a pic on a Matador Red Black Interior RA, M21, 3.90 car I'm putting together as a Judge clone for sale. Before you all berate me for 'cloning out' a unique car, let me just say it was done a couple of years ago and I'm sorry I did it now. I took it apart to have it painted the correct Matador but now I'm just going to put it back together and sell it so I can pay for the paint on my 70 Ram Air IV Judge. It has a SR block and SR M21 but is otherwise complete and has 84,000 original miles.
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#12
06-05-2009, 08:05 AM
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By the way I had a 66 GTO optioned that way from the same dealer, all the go fast and look options but no power anything, maybe the same owner originally!
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My Break Away Squad 1969 Fbird (Base, 350 & Sprint Cvt’s - 400HO & TA Hardtops) 1969 LeMans (2dr & 4dr Hardtop and a Cvt) 1969 LeMans Safari 2 seat Wagon 1969 GTO (2 Cvt, 2 Hardtops & Judge Hardtop) 1969 Catalina (3 Cvt’s & a 2dr hardtop) 1969 Ventura 2 Seat Wagon 1969 Executive 4dr Sedan 1969 Bonnie Cvt 1969 Bonnie 3 Seat Wagon (2 of them) 1969 Bonnie Brougham (4dr Hardtop & Cvt) 1969 Grand Prix SJ (2 of them) 1969 2+2 2dr Hardtop (Canadian model) |
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#13
03-28-2009, 02:14 AM
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Both of the PHS docs posted here are after mid year production. Every non Judge RA car I know of has a late build date. Seems odd to me, I had assumed most folks would have just ordered the Judge package after it's introduction, if they wanted RA. Anyone have an early RA 69?
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Paul FAST Automotive -The Pontiac restoration shop, not the fuel injection guys! I had the name first. My site... needs updated- www.fastrestorations.com 68 GTO's (RA II, RA I, HO, convert, Pro Street, Racecar, etc.), 2 69 GTO Judges, 70 GTO racecar -10.77 @ 124mph, 68 Tempest survivor, 3 03 Aztecs! |
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#14
03-28-2009, 06:28 AM
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I'm betting that a good number of people just did not like the looks of the Judge graphics.
1969 was still a fairly conservative time for most working adults who could afford a new car. White shirts and ties were the norm.
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03-28-2009, 07:44 AM
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Maybe. The phs I posted was owned by a librarian.
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11-23-2010, 08:28 AM
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I have an early 69 RA III 4 speed GTO hardtop 12D, 4th week December 1968
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Rich Johns Owner/Operator of Pure Stock Auto Restorations Inc. www.purestockauto.com 1969 GTO Judge Ram Air IV M21 4 speed 3:90 1970 GTO Judge Ram Air III M21 4 speed 3:90 Oshawa Built 1970 GSX Stage 1 M21 4 Speed 3.64 # 67 of 678 Original Paint 1970 GSX Stage 1 Auto 3.64 # 603 of 678 12.44@109.73 mph 2011 Buick GS Nats Pure Stock, 12.71@110.64 mph PSMCDR 2011 1970 GS Stage 1 Convertible Auto 3:64 12.71@109.15 mph PSMCDR 2009 1970 GS 455 M21 4 Speed 3.42 1987 GN Astro Roof |
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11-23-2010, 01:51 PM
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11-29-2010, 11:07 AM
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Looks like it is an Atlanta car...... For sale on ebay now http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-...item230c1231c9 Good luck trishieldchief! That is a great car for someone. |
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11-30-2010, 07:47 AM
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Rich Johns Owner/Operator of Pure Stock Auto Restorations Inc. www.purestockauto.com 1969 GTO Judge Ram Air IV M21 4 speed 3:90 1970 GTO Judge Ram Air III M21 4 speed 3:90 Oshawa Built 1970 GSX Stage 1 M21 4 Speed 3.64 # 67 of 678 Original Paint 1970 GSX Stage 1 Auto 3.64 # 603 of 678 12.44@109.73 mph 2011 Buick GS Nats Pure Stock, 12.71@110.64 mph PSMCDR 2011 1970 GS Stage 1 Convertible Auto 3:64 12.71@109.15 mph PSMCDR 2009 1970 GS 455 M21 4 Speed 3.42 1987 GN Astro Roof |
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#20
03-28-2009, 09:03 AM
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I did a 70 GTO Judge clone last year.Orbit RA4,4-SP,love the car,but now wish i would have just left it a regular GTO,with a RA4 upgrade.It just seems RA GTO,S are the odd ones,and Judges are the norm.If i had to do it over,Burgandy(match my 69)Red interior,dog dishes,ra4,4-sp.At least it would be different.Maybe next time!
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