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Pwr.Steering Box Change
I've been gathering up parts to replace the POS Cardone quick ratio box I got a few years ago. Gathered up the following parts.
Pwr.Steering gear box from a 1995 Jeep Cherokee-$46.19 Rag joint from a 1985 Chevy 2 WD Pickup-$11.77 Power steering pump flow control valve from a 1980's chevy Pickup-Free All I need now is to get my pressure hose changed to metric or have a new one made. I'll be glad to get rid of that 18 point "U" turn Cardone box.
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67 GTO HT 1968 400 Engine YE TH-400 #13 Heads -J069 Q'Jet . 8.2 Eaton Posi/3:55 __________________ |
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Where did you get that box for that price?
Or is it a junkyard score and you restored it?
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-Jeremy 1968 GTO 4-spd convertible, console, factory gauges, hidden headlights, 3.90:1 posi, AM/FM radio. 1962 Catalina convertible, Starlight black w maroon interior & white top. |
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Parts
Webfoot,
I got the parts from Pick Your Part and Pick N' Pull in the Oakland area. Skinned a few knuckles on the gear box getting it off. There a quite a few to choose from, I got the newest stuff I could find.
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67 GTO HT 1968 400 Engine YE TH-400 #13 Heads -J069 Q'Jet . 8.2 Eaton Posi/3:55 __________________ |
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Nice score, I've heard the jeep boxes are an all around better unit, aside from the faster ratio the steering feels much nicer. I would like to step up to one but most all the vehicles around here got scrapped last year.
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-Jeremy 1968 GTO 4-spd convertible, console, factory gauges, hidden headlights, 3.90:1 posi, AM/FM radio. 1962 Catalina convertible, Starlight black w maroon interior & white top. |
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Jeep gear
Webfoot,
I saw another box yesterday while getting my rag joint. It's on a 1993 Jeep Grand Cherokee with the engine removed, the steering box was unbolted from the frame but still attached by the center link and pitman arm, would be easy to take off. It had an MN code stamped on the end cap. The Cherokee had about 256,000 miles on it. I don't think it would be cost effective for me to pull it off and send it to you (They are heavy) but if you are desperate I would help you out.
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67 GTO HT 1968 400 Engine YE TH-400 #13 Heads -J069 Q'Jet . 8.2 Eaton Posi/3:55 __________________ |
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Good job. this is a nice upgrade. I vote for new hoses. I did one new and the other used conversion fittings. Should have gone new with both, it's cleaner and fewer connections mean less chance for a leak. I love the feel of the new steering.
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1968 Lemans Convertible Cameo Ivory, Red Interior, White Top |
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Yeah, those would be spendy to ship! If I ever feel like another project I'll probably try to find another one local. What are the best years to snag these from?
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-Jeremy 1968 GTO 4-spd convertible, console, factory gauges, hidden headlights, 3.90:1 posi, AM/FM radio. 1962 Catalina convertible, Starlight black w maroon interior & white top. |
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Save this
Webfoot, save this link it has a lot of good information on what is required.
Read all 3 articles. Jeep Grand Cherokee 1992-1996. I've checked and the ones listed by the AL code seem to have a 2.2 turns, the one I got has just a little over 3 turns but has the correct amount of turn radius. Check out the spread sheet for info. on other sources but if you have an "A" body get one with at least 43.5* travel, each direction about 87* total full left to right. http://www.chevelles.com/techref/ftecref29.html
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67 GTO HT 1968 400 Engine YE TH-400 #13 Heads -J069 Q'Jet . 8.2 Eaton Posi/3:55 __________________ |
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Guys,
Take a look at Craigslist for dudes parting out cherokees. I see this every couple of weeks: Cherokees being parted out. These guys are more than happy to get something like 25 bucks for the PS box, at least around here (CT). I got a nice box with the pump for 20 dollars. And the guy took it out for me. Couldn't use the pump, but jeez, what a deal.
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Dave http://www.squidsfabshop.com/? (updated January, 2013, Pypes exhaust installation) |
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Were is the code stamped on the box, I have a newer Z28 box but I don't see a code on it?
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It's on the bid circular endcap.l Unfortunately it's inked on, so a lot of times it's nearly impossible or flat out impossible to read .
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"The Mustang's front end is problematic... get yourself a Firebird." - Red Forman |
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Ok if this jeep steering box is so good with 3 turns lock to lock then why is it that you can get a rebuilt steering box from Year-One with 3 turns lock to lock that is a direct bolt in with no adapters for $139? I may be missing something but I don't know. I'd rather have a stock type steering box with the same steering turns.
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$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Year One box is $139.00 + $100.00 core charge + shipping 2 directions and the tax. Also who did the rebuild? If it was Power Steering Services Inc. I would do it in a second. It has been my experience the most of the re-builders make a one box fits all which doesn't work. I purchased a rebuilt box that was done by Cardone, the turning radius sucks. As per the email they sent me they build them with a total turning radius of 60 degrees which is OK for maybe a firebird, but sure has hell not a 67 GTO which need the full 87 Degrees. Yet they list the box for both GTO's and Firebirds. I'm not using adapters, just having metric fitting put on my original hose so the total cost of this swap will be about $70-$75.00. It's an easy cheap upgrade.
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67 GTO HT 1968 400 Engine YE TH-400 #13 Heads -J069 Q'Jet . 8.2 Eaton Posi/3:55 __________________ |
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Code
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hobbygto65 Look at the second photo of the Car Craft article, it shows where the code is inked on and is a very good tech article on a steering upgrade. The box I got out of the 95 Jeep Cherokee still had the code on it and was very clear. http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles...ade/index.html
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67 GTO HT 1968 400 Engine YE TH-400 #13 Heads -J069 Q'Jet . 8.2 Eaton Posi/3:55 __________________ |
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nu ideas 4 my 65 project!
I'm Glad i stumbled upon this article today as i continusly collect info for doing my 65 project.I've been years preparing to build this car and with much of the info/parts i've aquired....i hope to reduce a lot of headaches during the build and to also gain some of those modern touches that will enhance the car and make it a joy to drive. You guys make it so great to be a part of this forum!
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Gotta Luv some old Muscle.. 64 GTO Sedan Produced w/PwrSteering-PwrBrakes-AC-Padded Dash/Rally clock/ RemoteSideMirror 3sp&3:08/10 boltPosi-Pwr Windows-Pwr Antenna Silvermist w/BlackVinyl Top http://s161.photobucket.com/albums/t201/dracowizard/65/ |
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Change of plans
I was planing on getting a new pressure hose or have the fittings changed to metric but the shop I went to today was just trying to cobble some pieces together so I left.
I called Lee Manufacturing Co. down in Sun Valley Ca. and ordered the two inserts that get inserted into the ports/adapt metric to a double flare so I can use my original hoses. Very nice folks to deal with and very inexpensive + 2 day delivery.
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67 GTO HT 1968 400 Engine YE TH-400 #13 Heads -J069 Q'Jet . 8.2 Eaton Posi/3:55 __________________ |
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WhereOWhere
Bill,is there a website for Lee Manufacturing? I tried google,but just came up with some generic links that don't seem to actually lead to what may be the correct source i'm looking for.I kinda wanted to look over some of these adapter fittings as i'd like to figure if i'd like to adapt or just re-fit hoses. Any info/links would be nice.Thanks,DeWayne
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Gotta Luv some old Muscle.. 64 GTO Sedan Produced w/PwrSteering-PwrBrakes-AC-Padded Dash/Rally clock/ RemoteSideMirror 3sp&3:08/10 boltPosi-Pwr Windows-Pwr Antenna Silvermist w/BlackVinyl Top http://s161.photobucket.com/albums/t201/dracowizard/65/ |
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You gotta wonder how a postman was able to determine what they were for... maybe someone on the board?
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"The Mustang's front end is problematic... get yourself a Firebird." - Red Forman |
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nice tool......uh,i mean....cheap tool!
Good tip Bill.....i'll have to copy that idea and put it in my Tips/Tools& Ideas folder!
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Gotta Luv some old Muscle.. 64 GTO Sedan Produced w/PwrSteering-PwrBrakes-AC-Padded Dash/Rally clock/ RemoteSideMirror 3sp&3:08/10 boltPosi-Pwr Windows-Pwr Antenna Silvermist w/BlackVinyl Top http://s161.photobucket.com/albums/t201/dracowizard/65/ |
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Love my Jeep PS BOX
Got the inserts from Lee Mfg. yesterday,put the jeep box in my GTO today and love it, great road feel, kind of firm and best of all I can make complete left and right hand turns and U turns. That Piece of SH*T cardone box is stashed in the corner to use as a core or a boat anchor.
Picture of the inserts below. I will admit I did screw up when I first attached the pitman arm, I had a mark on the input shaft and pitman shaft were I thought center was, I should of used 2 marks. On the first test run car would turn to far left and very little to the right. Pulled it back to the driveway and discovered while installing the box I turned it one turn out of whack. Put it back together, one happy GTO driver here!!!!!!!!!!!!
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67 GTO HT 1968 400 Engine YE TH-400 #13 Heads -J069 Q'Jet . 8.2 Eaton Posi/3:55 __________________ |
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