[Geronimo]

I had ordered a set of 2" Dports for a 1sr gen FB. That was June 2011. They were promised to me by the end of August. No show, call, email or anything. I called my CC company and they refunded my 500log plus $. I would pay $800.00 I if I could just receive them in a month or less. I can't stand waiting especially Obumer not knowing what is going on? I believe Ron builds a great product, but he has absolutley no idea of how to be successful. I just can't deal with the dishonesty & elusiveness. We all need the truth and a way to communicate directly with Ron, & a physicalgreat address would be nice. I want a set of hedders, but am waiting until I see a set done & ready to ship. I wish Ron could get it together. I have money, he just can't deliver as promised. Lots of people would buy if things were different. Good luck to you in your quest to get your hedders.

[aronhk_md]

Hi Mike...yours and several other sets have begun the build process. Part of the headers are done as batches, where he bends lots of bends with the same 1 3/4 tubing all at once, then he has the switch the bender over to 2" and do the secondary tubes for all of those. In addition he then bends the stuff for the 2" primary headers. Once he has enough tubing bent he begins individual assembly on one set at a time.

I put him behind schedule because I pushed him to finish the designs on not only the 1st gen firebirds like yours, but also the 2" headers for that car, the 2" headers for 70-81 birds & 68-73 A bodies, as well as turbo headers. So I basically put him about 5-6 weeks behind. It was difficult for him because it pushed orders behind and meant no new $ flowing in for a while, but I am working on a deal to see if his headers might become available through another Pontiac source and having the maximum # of designs available seemed to be the best course.

As part of that push, when Ron built Roger Bolligers 2" set recently for his race trans am, we found out last minute that Roger's new engine was being built with a 4/7 cam swap. That necessitated going back to the drawing board for that specific set of headers and the tube order of the primaries needed to be switched around. When you do that you are basically building a custom set, and it took him a week.

So I apologize, but your headers ARE being worked on now. I just cant give you an exact date yet.

[aronhk_md]

Hey Mike...I replied with more info under the tribal tubes thread in exhaust where you also posted. This is just to follow up that yes, your headers are being built now...date for delivery to follow. Part of the delay had to do with getting several new patterns of headers finished at the same time, not just these.

[lfdsteve]

Tell ya what. I have a set I just installed on my 71 bird with round ports and they fit like a glove! Collectors above sub frame, backdrive linkage fits still, dip stick ok....
Not trying to rub it in but a fantastic product if he can pull it off. **** Ron, file a patent and sell the company/ design and retire without all the stress. Still pulling for ya big time.
All the best
Steve

[roadrage david]

Originally Posted by aronhk_md

Hi Mike...yours and several other sets have begun the build process. Part of the headers are done as batches, where he bends lots of bends with the same 1 3/4 tubing all at once, then he has the switch the bender over to 2" and do the secondary tubes for all of those. In addition he then bends the stuff for the 2" primary headers. Once he has enough tubing bent he begins individual assembly on one set at a time.

I put him behind schedule because I pushed him to finish the designs on not only the 1st gen firebirds like yours, but also the 2" headers for that car, the 2" headers for 70-81 birds & 68-73 A bodies, as well as turbo headers. So I basically put him about 5-6 weeks behind. It was difficult for him because it pushed orders behind and meant no new $ flowing in for a while, but I am working on a deal to see if his headers might become available through another Pontiac source and having the maximum # of designs available seemed to be the best course.

As part of that push, when Ron built Roger Bolligers 2" set recently for his race trans am, we found out last minute that Roger's new engine was being built with a 4/7 cam swap. That necessitated going back to the drawing board for that specific set of headers and the tube order of the primaries needed to be switched around. When you do that you are basically building a custom set, and it took him a week.

So I apologize, but your headers ARE being worked on now. I just cant give you an exact date yet.

Aron same with me!! Ron had my headers in the making when he found out i have a 4/7 swap as wel . havend heard from him sins.. any update!..

[aronhk_md]

David.....I dont have specifics yet. I have been so busy I think I've spoken with Ron 3 times in the last month. I do know he is making progress, but I really dont know who's on first and who's on 2nd so speak. Yours are 1st gen bird design, and I know the design part is done as you've seen.

lfdsteve.....thanks very much for the support. I'm sure Ron will appreciate it. He really puts everything he can into making them.

[crustysarge]

You are a fool if fall for this scam. Oh, how I was beat up last year and earlier this year and how Ron is a good guy.

DO NOT SEND HIM MONEY, YOU WILL REGRET IT!!!!

I will now say this, I did not want Ron to fail but he needs to now so people stop getting ripped off. Do not buy into this scam, you will be courted and promised and see others are getting their headers but the reality is in the above postings from others. His front man Aron will also sweeten you up and give you a "trusting" scenario but the bottom line is Ron won't deliver and your deal will go bad like so many others.

[SA74SD]

Sarge, we all know how you feel. I was reluctant to order from Ron because of the unfilled old orders.
Aron, who you described as Ron's front man, was totally upfront with me. He HAD a set of 2nd gen round ports which I bought.
You are right that Ron needs better business practices. In my humble opinion he needs to build what he can, send them to a "vendor" who can tell the customer yes or no as to whether they are available. If the vendor says they have four sets of round/D/ 1st/2nd gen/2" etc, the customer can purchase the stock on hand.

It seems there is not the trust in Ron in fulfilling single custom builds to individuals at this time. That is why he NEEDS someone to market his wares for him. Until that happens I don't think anything is going to change.

[aronhk_md]

ok...now we're going to have to put a stop to this. Crustysarge, you make a decision now whether I take this to the administrators or not. There is no scam here, and people are STILL receiving headers. New and old orders. I have proof of this, and will supply it to the administrators. No matter what anyone thinks of the way this has been handled, it is NOT a scam, and you are committing slander.

I dont know for sure whether the administrators will agree, but if they do you may get banned from this board.

[ClassicDriverMan]

Since the other thread is now closed. I hope we can keep the exchange of information going about the headers.

Aron - thanks for the update.

OLD THREAD:

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/...d.php?t=655574

[crustysarge]

Let me interject here too, don't count on any firm dates or delivery from the man who STOLE my money and never delivered anything but LIES. Then he tried to appease me by sending me $20 back on the $750 I sent almost two years ago.

Here is what he said on 10 Nov 2010, notice the trend to blame others here as well?
"Yours should be ready for the coater sometime next week. My welder is leaving tomorrow for a week & didn't let me know"

Then as time drags on here is March 2 Response, as always, plenty poor old Ron excuses:
Hi John,
Sorry for the delay on responding. I have only been checking the internet when I need to find something that I need for the building process or for funding. I hope to be posting that a few sets of headers are ready to ship in the next week. I have made a few huge steps forward on both the building process & for some funding. I'm waiting to hear back on a deal I’m working on to sell a good portion of my retirement to get the funding needed for special tools & materials. When/If it goes through it won’t be like that deal I had with my old partner that was supposed to help me but turned out to try & scam me out of my business. Because after its done the money is mine to do with what I choose with no ill effects. So I will know in the next week or so on that deal since the papers are signed today.

To answer your question on your headers, yes your set will be done well before the time you mentioned for your motor being ready. Once the funding comes in I will be able to build 2 sets a day with the tooling I'll be getting. I’m not going to post anything about the funding until I actually receive it because I dont want any outside interference from people that wish me to fail. The only other thing that can effect it is my health test for the life ins needed for the deal. Which will be done in about a week.

Ron Watt
Tribal Tubes


For those who say he is delivering, how many get them compared to how many paid?

If you don't like my post then don't read it, nobody is forcing you to. If you think I should be banned for telling the truth then you are not in touch with reality and no right to criticize me

[ClassicDriverMan]

ALL THOSE INVOLVED, PLEASE KEEP POSTING

Thanks crustysarge for your input!

I want to keep the interaction going and don't want this to go cold and remind those who are still owed to keep all of us informed.

I want the headers I have paid for and I am told they are in the works and so I have hope. Whenever I do get the headers I will post with pictures.

The open exchange of information is the only way I know to keep this moving on.

I would hope those owed headers and those who received headers post the time frame they ordered and actually got (or were told they would get) them. This will give everyone the information to make an informed decision as to whether take a chance as I did and place an order.

I believe Aron, but perhaps others can tell us their about their own experience with this matter?

[roadrage david]

crustysarge Put a Sock in it!!.we are all waighting. your the only one crying out loud and holding up orders bij putting doubts in potentional new orders you selfish Bast..d. You think that your whining would speed your money ore headers up!!. shut the F..k up and leave it.
if you dont whant people to read your post then post your last line first mor.n....

[ClassicDriverMan]

For the record.... I just want everyone to post that has a dog in this hunt. Good or bad experience. Hopefully there is more good than bad.

Keep the flow of information coming.

We have Crustysarge's experience - how about others?

Anyone with dates or time frames?

No bias needed.

[oldblueponcho]

Okay, here goes my perspective. I got my first set back in January. (D ports) I waited over 5 years for them, and never heard much from Ron after I ordered. I did hear from Arron a few times after he got involved tho. They are in the car now and I love them. Now I'm waiting for my second set (O ports) I'm certain they will arrive too or I never would have ordered the second set.

[crustysarge]

Like I said, if you don't like it don't read it, simple concept. If you need some instructions in freedom of speech you could read up on it. I'll keep posting until I get my cash or headers.

[ClassicDriverMan]

To Keep the information flowing I would request that this thread not get closed.

I wish to hear from Aron and others on the progress of those who have ordered Tribal Tube Headers.

Thanks....

I still have hope.

Anyone get theirs?

[Ccass]

Originally Posted by aronhk_md

ok...now we're going to have to put a stop to this. Crustysarge, you make a decision now whether I take this to the administrators or not. There is no scam here, and people are STILL receiving headers. New and old orders. I have proof of this, and will supply it to the administrators. No matter what anyone thinks of the way this has been handled, it is NOT a scam, and you are committing slander.

I dont know for sure whether the administrators will agree, but if they do you may get banned from this board.

Under normal circumstances, 'scam' would be an unacceptable term. However this is not a normal circumstance. CUSTOMERS of Ron have every right to be frustrated and therefore will continue to be allowed to make comments about their assessment of this situation. I would ask that everyone involved try to control their frustration as name calling and threats really are not accomplishing anything. There is PLENTY of information supplied in this topic to allow new readers to make their own decision about whether to take a chance on prepaying for headers from Ron. ALL members NOT involved are required to stay OUT of the topic.

[crustysarge]

Well put.

[aronhk_md]

Chris, glad to have your input here. With my schedule this past week I had not had a chance to send you a note yet. I'll be happy to provide you information regarding the continued filling of OLD and new orders, if you desire such. Since James Anderson has now listed his set for sale in the classifieds and he is the latest OLD order to be filled (from either 2005 or 2006, I cant recall) I dont feel funny mentioning his name.

Thats right, an old order from 6 or maybe more years ago.

crustysarge, my only comment to you is that if this were indeed a scam Chris Cass would not be allowing it to continue on his website, and everyone reading is aware of this.

I would not be involved with it myself if it were a scam.

As for me being a front man? Sure....if you want to paint it that way. Front man for Ron, trying to help him stay in business and keep the headers available for anyone who wants.

Front man for the guys still waiting. I dont always have a lot of new info for them, but I try my best.

Front man for myself? Maybe...I am owed at least 2 sets of headers now. Yes, still waiting. I continue to let others get their headers while I wait. I probably have enough pull at this point to make my headers appear if I didnt care about other people waiting.

I too have been very frustrated at the pace of this. Have mentioned many times that I would do things differently if the decisions were mine to make. I try to give everyone who contacts me as clear a picture as I myself have regarding what they can expect. Most of the time I've been spot on...............the reason so many have come back and mentioned my name. But not always. Classic Driver Man is waiting right now BECAUSE of me.

Scam? No. Just because very few people post on here does NOT mean headers have not been built and delivered. I cannot force them to post, though I try to encourage it.

Call me a front man, if that makes you feel better. I'm comfortable enough with who I am that I really dont mind.