[Sirrotica]

Eric, just for comparison can you tell us the difference in weight between the Grocery Getter (Partial GM steel body and tube frame) resembled a street car same as did The Crow. Compared to the Boss Bird (Purpose built race car with a glass body and most likely not any GM parts on it)?

When Eric and Mike decided to move their program forward to a blown nitro vintage funny car, I don't remember anyone having a problem with their moving up because they wanted to go faster and the Grocery Getter platform was pretty much maxed out.

I would say a good comparison between the Crow Mod and The Crow GTO

Both teams wanted to go faster while remaining loyal to the Stratostreak engine platform. Taking weight off and more power is how this happens.

Same thing happens in oval racing, as the speeds go up and the driver safety is more focused on, the only choice is a purpose built race cars. Detroit built iron is no longer an option to be used as a platform for a safe, fast, aero, race car. Technology marches on, if your anchored to the past, you get left in the dust.

Pro stock cars in the later 60s early 70s, looked like a stock car. Milling the blocks to save weight. Full titanium suspension parts, all titanium bolts that were drilled in the centers, acid dipped bodies. As many titanium engine parts as could be used, sectioned welded cylinder heads that were not even close to a stock head. Outward appearance looked like a Detroit car, not many of the parts could be bought at your local dealership though.

Many years this has been going on in all forms of motorsports, the casual observer was still thinking the race cars were Detroit based iron, they weren't.

[GTOGEORGE]

My car weighs almost 3,200 lbs.


GTO George

[chiefbigb]

Yeah its was a gto judge to right? My 68 bird weighs 3180 race weight with a IA2 iron block and a 8-71 on it. Steel doors and fenders/ chrome rear bumper. Back half with stock floor up front/firewall and front suspension parts. Cage is mild steel. Factory windshield. Im told by other racers their stock block cars on 1 carb/one piece front ends/glass doors a bumpers/ lexan all over are 3200 plus. I like the show partialy because the people seem like blue collar workers like myself and the cars seem like something that could be home built. My daughter starts racing this year and I cant watch it with her because of the language.

[JSPONT]

My friend runs pro mod IHRA his car is 2200 lbs

[Elarson]

Brad: I'll try to be brief so I don't hijack the thread.

Boss Bird is 500 lbs lighter than Grocery Getter. If we would have had a carbon fiber & titanium budget, along with a billet aluminum block for the Boss Bird, figure on losing another 200-300 lbs.

The Grocery Getter wasn't maxed out, but it had hit a plateau that would have required a big $$ expenditure to make the next jump. Lighter weight, higher head flow, lots of camshaft R&D and more clutch slippage would be the most promising areas.

In our case it made sense to spend the big chunk of money doing something entirely new and different.....and so the nitro craziness begins. And for the money, we have brought (2) Beswick replicas into the world instead of just running one into the ground.

Since circumstances forced Justin to start over with a new car, I totally understand him going to the next level, rather than returning to the same spot. The new car is bad a**, but I do admit that I think the old stock-bodied Crow had a coolness factor that is unmatched. But for serious competition, he did what made sense.

JMHO,
Eric

[gene simmons]

Justin takes the Crow mod for a drive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vofDbh3DYxQ

[ponjohn]

It just ran a 4.66 in the 8th.

[gene simmons]

40's on the 2nd hit

[Tom Vaught]

It will be very quick and fast in the show and make the 405 fans proud.

Tom V.

[JSPONT]

That was on drag radials!!

[wheneaglesfly]

Thank You For Lighting The Fire.
I left the Corvette World.
100 % Pontiac Fire in my Viens Again.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by JSPONT

That was on drag radials!!

Sounds like he would be a good run for Ron Rhodes street car.

[JSPONT]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Sounds like he would be a good run for Ron Rhodes street car.

LOL

[Scott Stoneburg]

Is he gonna put LED headlights/ tail lights in it? It didn't look like it has them from the video.

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Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Sounds like he would be a good run for Ron Rhodes street car.

jack hows yours coming along?

been crickets out of the mafia. must be the calm before the storm

[ta man]

Originally Posted by Tom Vaught

It will be very quick and fast in the show and make the 405 fans proud.

Tom V.

I agree....others are running Pro Mods..why be handicapped...it is run what ya brung on the street...I know if I was forking over thousands and thousands to the same guy over and over ...I'd change things up...Good Luck Justin....kick ass

[gene simmons]

The Crow mod should be at least as fast as Butlers tempest. It seems from one of the threads,the tempest has been in the 4.1X ?
I heard 4.26 1/8th mile et from a 2012 video.
What is the weight difference between the two?

[JSPONT]

Chief just went a 4.48 on drag radials 1st time out with the car. You got to give him props! Wonder how fast he will go with big tires.
He is representing Pontiacs pretty damn well, with a head that flows 350 cfm!!

[gene simmons]

I seen that,and agree. Tell it to jack

[Ron H]

Originally Posted by chiefbigb

Yeah its was a gto judge to right? My 68 bird weighs 3180 race weight with a IA2 iron block and a 8-71 on it. Steel doors and fenders/ chrome rear bumper. Back half with stock floor up front/firewall and front suspension parts. Cage is mild steel. Factory windshield. Im told by other racers their stock block cars on 1 carb/one piece front ends/glass doors a bumpers/ lexan all over are 3200 plus. I like the show partialy because the people seem like blue collar workers like myself and the cars seem like something that could be home built. My daughter starts racing this year and I cant watch it with her because of the language.

My 68 bird stock block aluminum top end same fiberglass doors front end rear bumper lexan was at 2730. TRZ front end, chrome moly trans member. TH400, 9". Add me and fuel 2950ish.