[Alvin]

Originally Posted by U47

Yes, FW 190 long nose, F-8 Bearcat, Sea Fury, Hawker Tempest & Typhoon.
P-51 look-a-like, the Yak 3.

Funny Harley Earl gets excited seeing the twin booms on P-38 and incorporates them into Cadillac tail fins of the late 40's to mid 60's, however P-38 is a old late 1930's design and first flown in Jan-1939. It was our best pre ww2 fighter that bested the P-40 and the F4F especially in the high altitude arena. It had about a 64 mph advantage in speed over them too.
But that DO335 and it's 474mph speed wow!
Dornier Do 335.svg



General characteristics
Crew: 1, pilot
Length: 13.85 m (45 ft 5 in)
Wingspan: 13.8 m (45 ft 1 in)
Height: 4.55 m (15 ft)
Wing area: 38.5 m² (414 ft²)
Empty weight: 7,400 kg (16,314 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 9,600 kg (21,164 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Daimler-Benz DB 603A 12-cylinder inverted engines, 1,750 PS (1,287 kW, 1,726 hp) each

Performance
Maximum speed: 765 km/h (474 mph)
Service ceiling: 11,400 m (37,400 ft)

Armament

1 × 30 mm (1.18 in) MK 103 cannon (as forward engine-mounted Motorkanone)
2 × 20 mm MG 151/20 cowl-mount, synchronized autocannons
Up to 1,000 kg (2,200 lb) bombload

Better when he got "Excited" and placed those "Dagmars" on the front of '50's Caddy's yes?

[U47]

Originally Posted by Greg Reid

U47, you'll probably enjoy this.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZU03dmdFBc

Thanks Greg!

[U47]

Originally Posted by Alvin

Better when he got "Excited" and placed those "Dagmars" on the front of '50's Caddy's yes?

YES!

[U47]

What I used to fly and work on. Faster that most of the WW2 fighters;
P2V Neptune or P2V-7, V-P 65. Two 3350" eighteen cylinder turbocharged compound radials @ 3,700 hp and twin Westinghouse J-34 turbojet engines.
http://bluejacket.com/usn/images/ac/..._neptune_d.jpg

[67post3spd]

"And "after" accident scene of his death from t-bone collison by full size '56 FORD station-wagon "


Looks to be 49 thru 51 shoebox ford. Mild custom at that.

[400 4spd.]

Yep, not a '56. The old Ford took the hit well. Looking at the noggin imprint in the windshield I suspect the driver did not fare so well.
In '95 I traveled that road (headed back from Santa Barbara) and saw the area where the wreck happened. From what I remember lots of orange groves nearby and pretty good visibility for that time.

[U47]

Originally Posted by 400 4spd.

Yep, not a '56. The old Ford took the hit well. Looking at the noggin imprint in the windshield I suspect the driver did not fare so well.
In '95 I traveled that road (headed back from Santa Barbara) and saw the area where the wreck happened. From what I remember lots of orange groves nearby and pretty good visibility for that time.

That is cattle country and dry farming , and now part of the central coast wine country, though no vineyards in a ten mile radius from the impact site. No citrus at all. Citrus can't take the winter freeze in that whole central coast region east of the Santa Lucia coastal range and west of Lost Hills.
Donald Turnipseed, did not die in the accident. The car he was driving was a 1950 Ford business coupe.
In 1988 I bought my retirement house on the central coast. I retired in 2006. Before I retired I used to drive that stretch to my retirement house from So. Cal. once a month, that was for 18 years! I can't tell you how many accidents I saw at that intersection for 18 years. James Dean was not alone.

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by 67post3spd

"And "after" accident scene of his death from t-bone collison by full size '56 FORD station-wagon "

Looks to be 49 thru 51 shoebox ford. Mild custom at that.

Originally Posted by 400 4spd.

Yep, not a '56. The old Ford took the hit well. Looking at the noggin imprint in the windshield I suspect the driver did not fare so well.
In '95 I traveled that road (headed back from Santa Barbara) and saw the area where the wreck happened. From what I remember lots of orange groves nearby and pretty good visibility for that time.

Originally Posted by U47

That is cattle country and dry farming , and now part of the central coast wine country, though no vineyards in a ten mile radius from the impact site. No citrus at all. Citrus can't take the winter freeze in that whole central coast region east of the Santa Lucia coastal range and west of Lost Hills.
Donald Turnipseed, did not die in the accident. The car he was driving was a 1950 Ford business coupe.
In 1988 I bought my retirement house on the central coast. I retired in 2006. Before I retired I used to drive that stretch to my retirement house from So. Cal. once a month, that was for 18 years! I can't tell you how many accidents I saw at that intersection for 18 years. James Dean was not alone.

You sirs are correct! Please excuse my error. I do believe I've previously read in a story that it was a '55 or '56 Ford wagon that crashed into Dean's Porche. Obviously those pix show the earlier body style FERD...

Please accept this accident recreation chart as a token of appreciation and remember to stay safe and



Edit: "Apparently" as the accident occurred in '55 prolly where I got my wires crossed on the yr of the FERD

Found this related info you may find interesting => Questions linger 50 years after James Dean’s fatal crash

[400 4spd.]

Well I guess that shows how badly my memory sucks from 20 years ago. Thanks for the correction. Unless there are orange groves further north, I expect it was the vineyards that I am thinking of.
How about the old restaurant he was rumored to have been at prior to the wreck? are you familiar with that?

[Alvin]

Modern accident reconstructed here with 3D imaging and explanation of Dean and his surviving German Mechanic passenger's final physical resting positions immediately post accident.
http://www.crashteams.com/Services/S...struction.html

"James Dean: Did He or Didn't He?
Hollywood bad boy ate his last meal in the Santa Clarita Valley. Maybe."

"Apple pie and milk.

It had been reported in the past to be possibly the last meal for legendary actor James Dean at a Tip's Restaurant in the Santa Clarita Valley on Sept. 30, 1955, just hours before his young life came to an end in a tragic auto accident near Paso Robles..."

http://www.scvhistory.com/scvhistory...8jamesdean.htm

[Alvin]

Wie Es Wirklich War Mit James Dean
(How It Really Was With James Dean)
Christophorus No. 43 / 1960
Magazine for the Friends of the House of Porsche

http://www.scvhistory.com/gif/galler...1960jamesdean/

"...But there was really just one person who can report authentically about the last days and hours of James Dean, and about this terrible accident. That is the man who sat with him in the Spyder, who was badly injured in the accident and only after several months could walk again — the Porsche race mechanic Rolf Wütherich, who was working at the time with the Porsche representative for the American West Coast, Jonny von Neumann. After a yearlong stay in America, Wütherich has returned to Germany and is active in Porche's experimental division."

"As the legend about James Dean began to evolve, he lay in the hospital, not fit to be questioned. People interviewed him a few times in America, although it would be better to say they wanted to interview him; he said little to the media because up to this time, the question of guilt hadn't been settled. The lawyers advised him to be careful..."


(Hint: Click to enlarge image. )

[Jack Gifford]

Originally Posted by 67post3spd

... 49 thru 51 shoebox ford. Mild custom at that...

'55 Pontiac side trim on Fords was a very popular custom touch.

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by Jack Gifford

'55 Pontiac side trim on Fords was a very popular custom touch.

Thanks for that heads up! I thought for sure that was 55 Pontiac trim on that custom two-tone Ferd, which must've been somewhat expensive back then (in 1955) to have brand-new model trim, yes?

Remember my mothers' White "shoe box" '50 Ford was one of my favorites when I was a kid...I now laughingly recall telling him (my Dad) I didn't like that he sold it in trade for a '56 which was black & white factory paint...FWIW.

[Alvin]

Anyone recognize this 1964 GTO?

[U47]

About the crash scene. Dean was traveling west from Lost Hills at a fairly high rate of speed ( two lane opposed traffic even to this day in a rural setting is 55 mph) the time is near dusk. Reports at the time and at crash scenes today at this intersection, and this I can attest to the sun traveling west is right in your eyes. Driving east at before sunset make the cars coming toward you blend into the hills in the background. I'll bet that silver Porsche was nearly invisible. I have seen hits and many near misses at that intersection because the car traveling east can't see you and in many cases if you are traveling west you can't see them because of the sun. These factors plus Deans high rate of speed spelled disaster.
I had a guy turn in on me once and because he was the only car in opposed traffic I swerved into opposing lane to miss his turn in. It happens there all the time. All these years and the state has done a little re-alignment but it's basically the same.

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by MikeNoun

Originally Posted by MikeNoun

I believe the first year (1974) they used 1973 Porsche Carrera RSR's, the second year (1975) they used 1974 Camaros.

Here's a great photo. How would like to see this group in your rear view mirror?

From 1979 : Mario Andretti, Cale Yarborough, Bobby Allison, Alan Jones (F1 Champion), Tom Sneva, and Neil Bonnett.

Originally Posted by MikeNoun

Another great photo. In the early years (1970's), they only ran at a few tracks. Michigan and/or Daytona (superspeedways), and Riverside (road course) were usually on the schedule.

Here's Richard Petty, A.J. Foyt, and Brian Redman (SCCA driver) at Riverside in 1976.

Posted BF deserves on topic repeat later yrs. IMO...

[Alvin]

Originally Posted by Alvin

Check this out....
Image titled "Captured P-47 Thunderbolt T9-LK from Zirkus Rosarius Goettingen Germany"



Full size image link HERE

And then there's this... "Holy Messerschmitt!"



Found @ http://silodrome.com/messerschmitt-bf-109/

[Keith Seymore]

Originally Posted by Alvin

And then there's this... "Holy Messerschmitt!"

"...Them Fokkers are MESSERSCHMITTS!!"

K

[Greg Reid]

Those are actually the licensed Spanish version of the Messerschmitt Bf-109, the upright, Spanish manufactured 'Hispano-Suisa' engine being the primary difference. These are the type seen in most every WWII movie you see as the original German built planes are extremely rare in flying condition. Spain produced their version even after the war and I'll bet you that the 'warehouse' pic above is from some Hollywood backlot or at least of a group of planes used in some film like 'The Battle of Britain' which was released some time in the 1960s.

The original 'E' model used an inverted Daimler-Benz engine. Notice the difference in where the exhaust stacks are in the pics below and the distinctive spinner shape...

[MikeNoun]

Fan safety was not a concern back then...