[pontibeast]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Stan, yes, I know...but actually I'd like to mend the fences, not continue dividing. The whole E-head vs CV-1 thing could stop, if everyone just backed off and let it alone. I would just like to see Jim Roland have a chance to get more heads out there, and then people can decide if its a good product. People can play with them and do the same things people did with E-heads.

I get it that racing is competitive. But we can be competitive without being total asses. At least...all the time. I've been an ass before. I'm no saint. But I'm really tired of what I call the "Yellow Bullet Way". The trash talk way. That's why I guess I really like that saying, "Speak softly, but carry a big stick."

What happened to respect for your fellow guy? Don't have to like everyone. But if you don't, why not just walk away? Seems like the internet has just allowed the worst in people to come out.

Guess that's why I have respect for guys like Fulton. No, he's not the only one. There are lots of others. But I for one would like to see things change back.

And I'm just asking people to consider the idea.

As someone who is not really in a camp in this as my heads are 6X-8's that only flow 260/220 I have to say this seems to be the best idea put forth in this whole thread. Saying racing is competitive but we can be competitive without being asses about it sums it up. There are a lot of very skilled head porters, racers, engineers and tuners here on PY and I have learned a ton from guys Like Paul K that take the time to help me with my recent engine even though I didn't buy my heads from him and others that give me really good advice without charging me a penny. I get the whole alpha male thing believe me, but at some point it would seem like a good idea to let some of this **** go and give each other the space and respect to develop their ideas and then see who can walk the walk at Norwalk and other tracks. Dyno numbers are impressive to the little guys like me but what is more impressive is how fast these cars are and what tech will filter down to help me go faster with my iron block for a reasonable price. I would love to buy a set of KRE, Edelbrock, or other aluminum heads to make my old Pontiac faster. I need to save up and then I will hopefully be able to make a choice based on real, legit numbers not on an opinion touted by one side or another. I am lost in the tech at this level but I rely on this forum to be a place to get real tech advice not anoth TOBT section from the Bullet. I love YB for the **** talking and chest thumping but this has been a different place for me since I joined a couple years ago and I hate to see it devolve into name calling and personal sniping. Good luck to all of you guys that are taking the financial and reputation risks involved in playing at the upper levels of our sport. Just remember there are a lot of people hoping to see you succeed and make things better for us cheap bastards hoping to move up some day.

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

They were not out of production for three years.

A lot of CV1 racers jumped ship. Some went BBC, some changed heads, and some went and bought boats.

yes they were out of production. I tried to buy a set. I was told they were not available and might not be again.

And those 3 years are NOT the same as half a zillion iron heads still being around and raced years after they stopped producing them. They were not being made, AND they were not being raced...except by a handful of people. Some jumped ship, but of those who did only a couple had raced the heads. Some just abandoned builds. It happens.

Either way a few racers out there racing a head is not what anyone would call a platform for development. Getting feedback about what works, and what does not. Etc.

And Paul you can say what you want about being vague but my posts in general have not been aimed at you, or slowbird, or any other single person. They've been aimed at a group of people. I'm assuming you can read? I've only said it half a dozen times, even before this last time or two.

But you want me to start pointing out your inconsistencies as you seem to like trying to point out mine? lets go back to the cheerleaders and the holy grail. Hmmmmmm....

EHTTFMF!

Come on guys...lets see your Pom Poms. Because I don't think ANY group of cheerleaders has quite the team spirit yours does.

Holy Grail? If the E-head isn't the Holy Grail of Pontiac performance...god knows what is. Apparently the E-head can do no wrong. The E-head is omniscient. ALL HAIL THE E-head!

So Paul.....how about the pot calling the kettle black? I'd call that pretty inconsistent with reality. Its not the CV-1s with cheerleaders and a holy grail.

[Aaron Quinton]

Great post sir. Thanks for sharing some real info!

Is the IVC right for the increase in CSA?

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

I have not had any issues with anything mechanically. I never
ran it quarter mile just eighth mile. It had a little more mph then the E heads but trying to figure out when we turned the second system on it only picked up a few hundredths.

We are working on it to see if it is electrical or something not jiving in the motor combo.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

yes they were out of production. I tried to buy a set. I was told they were not available and might not be again.

And those 3 years are NOT the same as half a zillion iron heads still being around and raced years after they stopped producing them. They were not being made, AND they were not being raced...except by a handful of people. Some jumped ship, but of those who did only a couple had raced the heads. Some just abandoned builds. It happens.

Either way a few racers out there racing a head is not what anyone would call a platform for development. Getting feedback about what works, and what does not. Etc.

And Paul you can say what you want about being vague but my posts in general have not been aimed at you, or slowbird, or any other single person. They've been aimed at a group of people. I'm assuming you can read? I've only said it half a dozen times, even before this last time or two.

But you want me to start pointing out your inconsistencies as you seem to like trying to point out mine? lets go back to the cheerleaders and the holy grail. Hmmmmmm....

EHTTFMF!

Come on guys...lets see your Pom Poms. Because I don't think ANY group of cheerleaders has quite the team spirit yours does.

Holy Grail? If the E-head isn't the Holy Grail of Pontiac performance...god knows what is. Apparently the E-head can do no wrong. The E-head is omniscient. ALL HAIL THE E-head!

So Paul.....how about the pot calling the kettle black? I'd call that pretty inconsistent with reality. Its not the CV-1s with cheerleaders and a holy grail.

Glad to see you're getting it figured out!

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by pontibeast

As someone who is not really in a camp in this as my heads are 6X-8's that only flow 260/220 I have to say this seems to be the best idea put forth in this whole thread. Saying racing is competitive but we can be competitive without being asses about it sums it up. There are a lot of very skilled head porters, racers, engineers and tuners here on PY and I have learned a ton from guys Like Paul K that take the time to help me with my recent engine even though I didn't buy my heads from him and others that give me really good advice without charging me a penny. I get the whole alpha male thing believe me, but at some point it would seem like a good idea to let some of this **** go and give each other the space and respect to develop their ideas and then see who can walk the walk at Norwalk and other tracks. Dyno numbers are impressive to the little guys like me but what is more impressive is how fast these cars are and what tech will filter down to help me go faster with my iron block for a reasonable price. I would love to buy a set of KRE, Edelbrock, or other aluminum heads to make my old Pontiac faster. I need to save up and then I will hopefully be able to make a choice based on real, legit numbers not on an opinion touted by one side or another. I am lost in the tech at this level but I rely on this forum to be a place to get real tech advice not anoth TOBT section from the Bullet. I love YB for the **** talking and chest thumping but this has been a different place for me since I joined a couple years ago and I hate to see it devolve into name calling and personal sniping. Good luck to all of you guys that are taking the financial and reputation risks involved in playing at the upper levels of our sport. Just remember there are a lot of people hoping to see you succeed and make things better for us cheap bastards hoping to move up some day.

I get that totally. I like a little variety mixed in with my performance. So I like the idea of a stout set of E-heads on one car, and CV-1's on another. I'm looking at a set of well developed high ports too

But yeah...the Yellow Bullet thing never appealed to me. I come from a background where the quiet guys were the ones who got it done. The ones always thumping their chests were usually full of BS. And that usually seems to be the way of it.

Just like the ones who brag about how good they are in the sack.

But its also the internet mentality these days. People can say things today with no consequences because it doesnt matter...mostly they'll never meet the people they say nasty things to online. So its created this atmosphere of.....nastiness.

Gets to the point where its not even that they're brave behind a keyboard kind of thing. Its like they just don't know better anymore and whatever manners they were taught by their parents have disappeared.

And before you guys say anything...I actually dont think that way of you Paul. Or you slowbird. Or Jack even. I wouldn't have posted on here if I thought you were really like that.

I just think this got carried away. I'd like to see the fences mended. I'd like to see respect. Both sides. But its going to take an effort from us all. I'm not even talking about a kinder gentler world. I'm talking respect for your fellow racer.

Grind him into the pavement on the track. Shake hands. Or don't. But let's stop the stuff on here and work together.

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Glad to see you're getting it figured out!

Yep, I'm getting it figured out. So...how short is your skirt?

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Yep, I'm getting it figured out. So...how short is your skirt?

Are you confused what bathroom to use when you shop at Target?

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by GTO Dan

Damn you don't forget any of the saga...

It's kinda like Star Wars, different but similar.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by 65nss4spdGTO

And some are wishing they never switched from EHeads, right Jack 😉

Calvin Hill
Hill Performance
708-250-7420

Nah, I'll be ok.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by Anderson Port Development

... hey, it's not his fault, it's the car, that GTO has been programmed to think EHTTFMR's forever now, so when that 2nd stage turns on it knows the E-Heads can't handle that much N20 and the car automatically hits the brakes !!! ...

Says the guy without a race car.

[LiL Jack]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Are you confused what bathroom to use when you shop at Target?

It's probably Walmart, but anyway LOL.

[JSPONT]

Funny part is, Lil Jack, Kinsler, Hedrick,Carpenter, Leech, Snyder all east coast guys ( not Leech)and probably most on this board, if they were at the track would help each other out all day. They always do. They don't give a chit what head is on the motor. This is just ball busting at its finest.
All this talk about Dick Fulton's car, but I think Brians CV-1 pro charged car will be faster than Mr. Fultons when the bugs are worked out.

I think it's just fun for some, so carry on.... PPTTFMF'ERS!!!

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Are you confused what bathroom to use when you shop at Target?

Nope, but I saw a chick with some facial hair hit the ladies room there a few weeks ago. If I had known it was you I'd have said hello. lol

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by JSPONT

Funny part is, Lil Jack, Kinsler, Hedrick,Carpenter, Leech, Snyder all east coast guys ( not Leech)and probably most on this board, if they were at the track would help each other out all day. They always do. They don't give a chit what head is on the motor. This is just ball busting at its finest.
All this talk about Dick Fulton's car, but I think Brians CV-1 pro charged car will be faster than Mr. Fultons when the bugs are worked out.

I think it's just fun for some, so carry on.... PPTTFMF'ERS!!!

Boost is the ticket for speed. But I disagree. I think the antics here really hurt Jim Roland's business and the guys who contributed to it still don't realize it may affect the aftermarket stuff we have available to us. Again, that Yellow Bullet mentality. The moderators here did a poor job of seeing that this doesnt become another yellow bullet.

[PAUL K]

Originally Posted by TimeWarp

Nope, but I saw a chick with some facial hair hit the ladies room there a few weeks ago. If I had known it was you I'd have said hello. lol

Wasn't me, glad to see you where checking it out. Your almost there, just "come out" and you'll be a happier person.

[Anderson Port Development]

Originally Posted by LiL Jack

Says the guy without a race car.

... mine was better than yours ... ha ha

[TimeWarp]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Wasn't me, glad to see you where checking it out. Your almost there, just "come out" and you'll be a happier person.

You were hard to miss! Some things you just can't "un-see". But it's ok, you can stop denying it was you. You'll also be much happier when you do. And I was coming out...of the men's room. I'm always happy after emptying my bladder.

[Jeff Kinsler]

Where is GREAT GTO when you need him?

[Kelvin Poe]

Originally Posted by slowbird

He was getting 1.0 60fts so im guessing he wasn't spinning and converter was at least working to that point.

Wow, this thread is out of control. I haven't been on here much since getting back from Drag Week and I decide to go on tonight and see this.

I'm not interested in getting involved in this back and forth crap, but I at least wanted to correct a few wrong numbers. I have NEVER been 1.0 60ft in my car. I don't know where you pulled that number from. The best I ever went was 1.12, read my sig. I have been 1.07 before, but that was when a buddy let me drive his 67 Chevy II that went 4.60's in the 1/8.

As for the other numbers, the best ET my HP combo went was 8.38, the mph was usually 158-159. My CV-1 combo right out of the gate went 8.08 @ 165. So, that's 3 tenths and 6 mph. For whatever reason, my car would never mph as much as I thought it should, with either combo.

That's all I have to say, so carry on....

[BruceWilkie]

Originally Posted by PAUL K

Hi Bruce, no he doesn't have me upset...maybe a little annoyed. I was just referring to all his vague comments that he made so he could change the meaning of them later. You told me I was chicken sh#t for doing that and only thought it would be fair for you to do the same for him.

Give the guy a break...he seldom speaks out here. Sometimes vague and sometimes incorrect but didnt seem like double speak, inuendo, hidden meaning bull crap. At least not to me.

I criticized you not because your an E-head guy and doubt you are a chicken ****. You are here often. Comments you make often lack a who, a what, a when, or a why or clarity in general. That in itself isnt so bad and I'm no saint there either. But answering a question with a non answer or deflection more often than not when a "cv guy" questions you, seems chicken**** and makes you sound like a politician. PoliticalCorectnessTTF? Not here please.

While I have your attention... I know your proud of your turbo buick and thats fine. What or who is your star NA Pontiac that you've built? Shouldnt that be the car to set up races with similar Pontiacs?
Genuine questions and no disrespect intended.