[Rob]

Ok going to organize a post of top ten Drag open body and Door cars again, if you think you're fast enough please dig out your best ET slip and email me [email protected] or post below, will post my findings here tomorrow. Will do some catagorizing as guys like Bruce M. and Ray Cox have some big performers with heavier and lesser tired race cars. Everyone should know that there was progress this year and fastest of all time has been shuffled a bit.


Here's the list from 2003 (might have some left out, first time I ever attempted this list)

#1 Rodney Butler 6.91@202
#2 Marty Palbykin 6.95
#3 Arnie Beswick 6.95@215
#4 Bill Mellott [email protected]
#5 Bill Krech [email protected]
#6 Mike Cooper 7.450@175
#7 Jeff Kauffman 7.49@175
#8 Steve Barcek 7.50@189 was he driving?
#9 Dan Sweeney 7.50@186
#10 Paul Spotts [email protected]
#11 Eddie Hill 202mph MAYBE
#12 Eric Larson Grocery Getter Advanced ET? MAYBE


2004 has been a good year!

-Rob

[Steve Barcak]

Tom V,
Is your question for "Steve" referring to me? If so, I know nothing of 6.80s from the Boss Bird. It is possible it went 6.80s with a Ramchargers 426. Maybe that is the reference to what the box says. Does this box say it went 6.80s with Pontiac power?
As I said in my earlier post. My info is not second hand or heresay. I got it direct from Arnie and I asked him if he would put that in writing as to his quickest/fastest Pontiac pass ever. He said sure and signed, dated it and put his all time best ET and MPH on the picture. It is in writing. Again, if Arnie is of his word, that is it. I do not question him. It does seems a bit quick but, it could have happened.
Just like E Hills disputed 202mph pass in '62. Garlits was NHRAs first Official 200 mph pass in '64. but, that was under NHRA rules at the time. As we know there was pleny of drag racing outside of NHRA in the 60s. It is very possible and believable that Eddie Hill took that gas blown twin Pontiac to 202 in May of that year. Remember, the biggest problem with ETs and MPH back then was TRACTION. Eddie ran dual slicks, this gave him better traction than anyone at the time. With conditons ( weather, track condition, engine set up, etc) just right and using the clutch just right, I bet he did do it. Getting it a second time to back it up is another thing but, Rob here is not asking for anyone here for a second backup pass as do the Official sanctioning bodies. If so, the list on this thread here would look vastly different.
On another note Chris "The Greek" Karamsines took his blown fuel digger over 200 ( 204) in 1960. This further shows 200 MPH times were very possible for E Hill in '62.
The signed, documented photo of the Boss Bird with the 6.94 is available to view or copy (as many have) on my website on my "Pontiac History" page.
Steve www.pontiacheaven.org

[GTOGEORGE]

Ray,

Just BAD timing for my car. Almost every pass you had to be towed up to the staging lanes or towed back from you run.........nice STREET car?
I'll be at Cordova, buddy and I bet I won't be towing my RACE car to or from my run, we'll how many passes we both make!

[LiL Jack]

Or even who raced all year on one motor.

[Polar-Pontiac]

Bob was running low 8s in the early 80s stock block standard bore Super-duty heads,way ahead off most pontiac racer a true master-mind a true legend.

[Wade Congdon]

I for one would like to see the most comprehensive list possible, even if it means the 50 fastest. Then any subset could be easily broken out to show better comparisons.And the more info the better. Year of ET, Year, Make, Model, Weight, Power Adder, Source, Driver, etc. And I agree with Steve that each car shold be listed even if the same driver campaigned it. Let's face it, the magazines are never going to compile a fastest Pontiac list, and if they did they wouldn't necessarily have the resources we have here thanks to the web.

[gearbanger]

I thought Marty P. had switched to a BBC?

[Ray Cox]

When is it?

here is one class


3nd Annual Detroit Locker
NMCA Hot Rod & Muscle Car Nationals
April 1-2-3, 2005
Bradenton Motorsports Park - Bradenton, Florida
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Inaugural NMCA Hot Rod & Muscle Car Nationals
April 22-23-24, 2005
National Trail Raceway - Columbus, OH

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4th Annual Lunati
NMCA Hot Rod & Muscle Car Nationals
June 3-4-5, 2005
Beech Bend Raceway - Bowling Green, KY
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2nd Annual NMCA Hot Rod & Muscle Car Nationals
June 24-25, 2005
U.S. 131 Raceway - Martin, MI
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4th Annual Ross Pistons
NMCA Hot Rod & Muscle Car Nationals
July 22-23, 2005
Cordova Dragway - Cordova, IL
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4th Annual Stewart Warner Performance
NMCA Hot Rod & Muscle Car Nationals
August 26-27-28, 2005
Maple Grove Raceway - Reading, PA

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4th Annual NMCA Hot Rod & Muscle Car Nationals
September 16-17-18, 2005
South Georgia Motorsports Park - Valdosta, GA

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4th Annual Nitto Tire
NMCA World Street Finals
October 6-7-8-9, 2005
Memphis Motorsports Park - Memphis, TN

[Tom Vaught]

Steve B,

Did you read my previous quote.

Who ever posted the orifinal info on the Boss Bird model says the car has Ram Air V heads and ran 6.80s. (Turns out it was BANDITONE on page 2 of this topic, see for yourself).

That is what the box says supposedly. I have not seen the box yet.

Quote:

" Is your question for "Steve" referring to me? If so, I know nothing of 6.80s from the Boss Bird. It is possible it went 6.80s with a Ramchargers 426. Maybe that is the reference to what the box says. Does this box say it went 6.80s with Pontiac power?

Yes according the the above mentioned post (with Ram Air V heads).


As I said in my earlier post. My info is not second hand or heresay. I got it direct from Arnie and I asked him if he would put that in writing as to his quickest/fastest Pontiac pass ever. He said sure and signed, dated it and put his all time best ET and MPH on the picture. It is in writing. Again, if Arnie is of his word, that is it. I do not question him. It does seems a bit quick but, it could have happened.

I have seen your post and the picture signed by Arnie where he wrote that he
went a 6.94 at 215 or so.

The LATEST 6.80s deal with V heads is what I am asking about that is being sold on his web site and other web sites.

Tom V.

[Scott Misus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ray Cox:if you cant respect moving 3400 lbs to the 60 foot in 1.3 sec on a 10" tire ( which is HALF the ground surface most of you run) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Half, huh?



So tell me, Ray: Who do YOU know of who is running a 20" tire?

[Ray Cox]

Rob Ill have to dig the slip out, but it was only 8.60 at 162mph 3475 lbs Bruce wins the fastest 10" tire class this year 8.500 at 3350 lbs

Langer was in the 8s dont know his weight or mph

Tommy thompson 9.40s on 10.5s also

[Rob]

Yes I think you're right about one of John's runs being quicker, probably the sand trap one I missed. I'll have to call John and see if he has the timeslips handy.

I remember the 6.975 run well because it was just after Mark Kauffman ran 6.995. Rodney left & looked fast, went through the traps and the numbers lit up. You and Travis turned to John and said "there's your six second pass"! I looked at y'all and said "real good mph too". You both turned back to the scoreboard and seen the even more exciting number!

That was a huge day at Norwak.

-Rob

[Ray Cox]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 455Dave:
I think it's pretty obviuos that Ken isn't ignoring what was done over the years but he would like to see what HE will be up against this year. He has to step it up and also keep the shop running meaning his build and TNT time is somewhat limited.

Anyway my money is on Ken this year. Yesterday I drove up to the shop and threw some cash on the counter and told him to go buy some go fast parts. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[GTOGEORGE]

I went QUICKER then 8.70...........we'll just keep it at that! We'll see what 2005 brings.

[455Dave]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LiL Jack:

If I were a betting man I'd think you were going to lose some money.

You better have dropped off alot of money, cause he is going to need it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

LOL!

Well, I consider Ken, Karen and Danne as good friends. If Ken has to call me for some sponsor money to race this season, and if I have it, he's got it free and clear, but he will have to put a company logo on the car so I can write it off. I just have to hope 2005 is a good year so I don't end up living in a cardboard box.

[ventura7211]

Brian, What I was hinting around too, is that if Steve wants to be so historically accurate about everything then we need to know who the man behind the wheel was as he's what was in the ride. If you notice Welter's(sp? lol) pass has Butler driving with him mentioned.

The other problem I have is Steve is bad about belittling others accomplishments and disregards that they are putting up some stellar numbers for the type of car used and more importantly weight. It takes a helluva lot of power from Rex to put up his times in his car, now take that motor and put it in a 1900 pound dragster and it will run...

Misus: Agree

"Doesn't matter that he wasn't driving, he's still tuning it. You make it sound like "running 7's in a go kart" is easy. Well, if it were, everyone on this board with a dragster would be doing it"

It is easy install a BBC. No the point was 7's in a door car is alot more impressive in my mind vs. in a dragster of anykind. As for the rest of the performance ifs and whens don't go far when it comes to time slips produced.

[Rob]

Ok going to organize a post of top ten Drag open body and Door cars again, if you think you're fast enough please dig out your best ET slip and email me [email protected] or post below, will post my findings here tomorrow. Will do some catagorizing as guys like Bruce M. and Ray Cox have some big performers with heavier and lesser tired race cars. Everyone should know that there was progress this year and fastest of all time has been shuffled a bit.


Here's the list from 2003 (might have some left out, first time I ever attempted this list)

#1 Rodney Butler 6.91@202
#2 Marty Palbykin 6.95
#3 Arnie Beswick 6.95@215
#4 Bill Mellott [email protected]
#5 Bill Krech [email protected]
#6 Mike Cooper 7.450@175
#7 Jeff Kauffman 7.49@175
#8 Steve Barcek 7.50@189 was he driving?
#9 Dan Sweeney 7.50@186
#10 Paul Spotts [email protected]
#11 Eddie Hill 202mph MAYBE
#12 Eric Larson Grocery Getter Advanced ET? MAYBE


2004 has been a good year!

-Rob

[Rob]

Yea still organizing a list for the 2004

I think George rounded up a 199.98 or something. Maybe Mark made a pass that I missed.


-Rob

[Jim Yanoski]

Nice job on the list Rob!

[Scott Misus]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GTOGEORGE:
I agree with the DUDE we should stick to the last couple of years. History is great but that's just what it is ....HISTORY. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

But, don't you see, George?

That's the thing about Pontiac racing history; and the sad thing, as well.

Those numbers that were put up as far back as 35 years ago, really haven't been marginally improved on in as many years.

It's particularly sad, especially given the huge strides made in engine block, cylinder head, induction, and camshaft design in this long of a time frame.