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Goat luver · #1 11-24-2004, 08:49 PM

I haven't been around for a while and unfortunately it seems that nothing has changed.
The reason I stopped looking in on the forum was because of the rabid negativity from certain quarters towards this great car.
A few days ago I decided to catch up on some of the posts.
Man! I can't believe that you people that still haven't taken the trouble to test drive this brilliant car are still bad mouthing it.
Get out there and try one out and then come back and tell us how it is not the most powerful GTO you have driven.

I have had my GTO for over 8 months now and have yet to have a negative comment from anyone except for people on this forum.
I have lost count of the number of total strangers that have complimented me on the car.
Even my wife would not believe the amount of attention this car gets until I(reluctantly) loaned it to her while her POS Mustang GT convertible was in the shop for more of those Ford 'teething problems".
She had the GTO for two days and she was amazed with the attention that it brings.
From old and young alike the admiration of the car was like nothing she has ever experienced with her Stang.

For all you doubters: Go ahead, try one, make your day!

"Forgive them Lutz for they know not what they say'

Goat luver · #2 12-10-2004, 09:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by red70goat:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ozzy:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by red70goat:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ozzy

QUOTE]

Let me help you along here...... If there had been a 30 year gap between the '64 and the next GTO production model...
Answer: No.
Reason: Because automobiles are constantly evolving and using technology as it becomes available.

QUOTE]

You need to stick to the original question: 30 yr. gap between the 64 and 70, not as you have revamped the question of 64 and next production model. The 70 would have definately been recognizable as a GTO due to it's unique grill and stance, setting it apart from the rest of the Pontiac fleet. Had Rab. mentioned '74 I would have agreed with him because it was not unique in any way and was basically a rebadged model of something else already in mass production. While the 2004 certainly evolved technologically, aestically it had not evolved into anything recognizable other than what Pontiac was already producing in a fleet line. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Gee, for an Attorney you sure are having a difficult tme with this.
OK ....one more time. If there HAD been a 30 year gap between the 64 and the 70 would it have been instantly recognizable?
Answer: No, for the reasons previously stated.

red70goat · #3 12-16-2004, 08:38 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by The Champ:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by red70goat:
True, I did the stir the pot and made some comments that were derogatory in nature that were probably better left unsaid. My purpose was to expose the generalities of out what happens when somebody is opposed to GMs attempt to revive the GTO. I made several posts that were not critical at all but were more based on opinion and observation. The majority reaction from those in favor of what GM is doing to didn't change regardless of the content of my post. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your recent posts were a somewhat refreshing experience, but that does not mean that they were entirely accurate....
(QUOTE]

My recent posts as to if GM continues with their current format of having Holdens' fingers in the GTO pie will only continue to harm more than help Pontiac sell these cars was a matter of opinion and not an attempt to be accurate. I could very well be wrong, but I don't beleive the 05 is going to do that well given the current styling and lack of media attention. As a result I don't think we'll see an 07 GTO unless Pontiac starts with a clean slate....On their own turf.....With their own engineers. The 04 I saw at Jerry Seiner GMC / Pontiac in SLC was of very poor quality in finish. (orange peel / "sheep" hair )

red70goat · #4 12-14-2004, 08:53 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Mr_GTO:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by red70goat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nickv:

I wonder if Aussie's bitched when the new Monaro did not look like the old Monaro?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who cares what the Aussies think? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lots of comparisons there. It is lost on you, then again, everything is lost on you. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, having a GTO compared to a Monaro is doing wonders for Pontiacs' bottom line.

KVman389 · #5 12-08-2004, 04:50 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Mr_GTO:

Uh the car is $33,190, and MANY dealers were not budging from sticker and many added money to it. That, lack of marketing is what hurt the car early on. Simple as that.

Fine, go buy and drive what you like. If that is a 71 GTO that gets 13mpg and tach's at 3300rpm at 60mph and runs in the mid 13's that is fine with me. I'll get a car that does all that, I can drive across country without worry, gets more than double the gas mileage and has all modern conviences. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A standing offer of $25,899. I say why don't you stop talking the talk, and just walk the
walk

rabon008 · #6 12-20-2004, 09:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nickv:
Who said that 04 GTO's were slow?

STOCK 04 GTO M6

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>As NVigR8 has indicated, it was an excellent day at Cecil County Raceway. The shot of the timeslip might not be too clear, so here are the numbers:

60' - 1.948
330 - 5.516
1/8 - 8.464
MPH - 83.81
1000 - 10.997
1/4 - 13.136
MPH - 105.76
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm no racer but those look like fine times for a stock GTO. What do you think a simple plug-n-tune, 90mm throttle body and some better rubber would do for it?

Mr_GTO · #7 12-07-2004, 04:12 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:

find it yourself. you're not worth spending time on. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yet still took the time to respond. Have fun away from the board troll boy. Too much of a baby to tell me who you really are. Too funny....

Hey, tell us again troll how many 70 GTO's came with the optional Endura bumper?? LOL!!!

red70goat · #8 12-14-2004, 10:18 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nickv:

I wonder if Aussie's bitched when the new Monaro did not look like the old Monaro?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who cares what the Aussies think?

rabon008 · #9 12-11-2004, 05:19 PM

Better yet...copy Ford's idea...make the new GTO look like a '64 GTO and offer it with 4, 6, 8 cylinder, or maybe even electric motor options...yeah...now THAT's a GTO....

What are you guys talking about????

Mr_GTO · #10 12-07-2004, 04:02 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by whatza monaro??:

If you had been paying attention you would have seen I answered that long ago. Or maybe you just can't read. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I didn't see it. What is your other usename troll boy?

Goathead · #11 12-12-2004, 07:34 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR> Point is, like it or not, the new GTO sells very well for its class. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

rabon008 · #12 12-11-2004, 04:23 PM

Always going back to the same old argument...mustang styling cues mean they know what they are doing and it makes them sell well.

Once again...someone give me the numbers on how well the Cobra model sells compared to the new GTO. And the Cobra model is only JUST in the class of the new GTO, doesn't beat it, performance wise.

Give me those numbers...don't talk to me about what some puny six or some weak a$$ V8 is doing...give me the numbers on the 390 HP model...How many of those is ford selling?

I really want to know.

red70goat · #13 12-13-2004, 07:17 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by The Champ:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by red70goat:
Given the price of gas these days a torquin' 6 would probably go over quite well. If GM wants to save the GTO then a retro styled Goat with 2 engine options would appeal to the money conscience performance minded consumer. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Besides the fact that the price of gas has dropped by $.25 per gallon recently,(QUOTE]

How much is this war costing us again? And has the final bill been tallied ? And who is going foot the bill? But it doesn't really matter, given the direction Beavis and LutzHead are taking the GTO and the immense popularity of the 04/05 GM Monaro there will be no GTO in 2007.

judge_jury_executioner_69 · #14 12-17-2004, 12:50 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Mr_GTO:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by judge_jury_executioner_69:

maybe they should leave the GTO badge off with the cars in the US also it might sell better that way. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First off, which Pontiac produced car, or for that matter GM car, is better than the Monaro right now? Please tell me. The ONLY car in that same class is the CTS/STS.

JJE, you think that the naming the car Monaro or LeMans would make it sell better? Please explain how it would do that since you have a masters in marketing. Please, I am sure we would all love to hear this. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

any gm car that is better then the monaro ? hell take your pick. why name it anything besides the GTO ? im glad you asked ( just like the LS1/LT1 being chevy engine that i replied to and you didnt have any other comments) think back to the first GTO's made. they WERE the first muscle car. they had a real pontiac engine. they looked fast standing still. they were made in america. now look at todays GTO. australlian car,chevy motor,pontiac badge,made in australlia. i could take a sh** and it would look better then this car. its slower then imports. and youre gonna give it a GTO badge? based on what? if you say technology of 40+ years to make it handle better and be more fuel economic or whatever. i hope with 40+ years of technology you can do that. it might be the fastest GTO made but it has a chevy engine in it and the 04 is slower then imports. so how does that make you feel about the fastest production GTO made? if you put a diffrent badge on it then you dont piss off the pontiac guys that think this car is a discrace to the origional. if it was called the pontiac "X" then i would have considered buying one. but not a GTO. and im sure many others would say the same thing. you give it a diffrent badge and it dont have to live up to expectations of what it used to be. that a good enough explination ? youre damn right im good at marketing/sales.

red70goat · #15 12-13-2004, 07:19 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by NaOH:
Eh, the same people that are going "zomg Chevy engine, blasphemy!" would just be going "zomg V6, blasphemy!" I don't think there's much getting around that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

perhaps. i think they are more upset with the fleet look than anything else.

Nickv · #16 12-13-2004, 07:42 PM

Are those's Pontiac's in the foreground with those rally II's and Snowflake wheels? No they are classic Monaro's.

Pontiac and Holden have alot in common it seems.

I wonder if Aussie's bitched when the new Monaro did not look like the old Monaro? I doubt it.

Those are pretty cools cars.

red70goat · #17 12-09-2004, 06:30 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by The Champ:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by red70goat:
I glanced at your web page listings. _Caddy Limo...Lincoln, whatever_. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I sorry, but in my family, them's fighting words.

If you can't tell the difference between a Caddy and a Lincoln, how can you complain about the 2004 GTO? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Had I looked at your web page listings again before that post I would have specified Caddy Limo. I knew it was something with an "L".Sorry. Given that as a kid I worked for a guy that owned both a mortuary and a furniture store, we often used his Caddy to deliver both corpses and furniture, I can tell the difference.Anyways, I remeber those awesome "bullets" that were on those gargantuan front bumpers! As far as the 04 GTO: That's the problem: it looks like every other car out there, not a GTO...just can't get excited about that.

David Jones · #18 11-26-2004, 10:38 AM

Mr_GTO · #19 12-14-2004, 12:15 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by red70goat:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by Nickv:

I wonder if Aussie's bitched when the new Monaro did not look like the old Monaro?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who cares what the Aussies think? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Lots of comparisons there. It is lost on you, then again, everything is lost on you.

The Champ · #20 12-15-2004, 06:57 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by red70goat:
>>> Not intentional, but I'll give you that one. Caddy Limo...Lincoln...whatever. Like I said before,the only web page I looked at of yours was the '64. I knew you had a Chevy and something that had an "L" in it.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You know, that might be plausible, except for the fact when you made that post you were quoting one of mine. My signature on every post lists the three cars.

And Cadillac also has a "C" in it, so why didn't you say Chevy or Chrysler. It also has an "A" in it, maybe you should have said Audi. I just noticed that it also has a "D" in it - why didn't you say Duesenberg...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by red70goat: As far as your awards: From what I've seen of your '64 any award recieved was certainly well deserved. That doesn't make you any more of an expert or a "car guy" than the rest of us. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As already posted, the awards are not important. Driving the car is. My car is nothing more than a very nice driver.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by red70goat: Info. on production, etc. is easily found on Musclecarclub.com or any other number of websites. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, you've proved that by trying to convince us that the "Jury" was a GTO without the "Endura Option"...

You were wrong then, and despite bringing up a 350 ci 2bbl powered LeMans into the picture, you are still wrong.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by red70goat:I know plenty of rich pricks who pay somebody 40-50k to restore a musclecar. Possession doesn't make them experts. I happen to be one of those rich pricks who will be throwing 40k or so at somebody to restore my Goat. When that happens, I will not be heralding myself as any more of a car guy or expert than the guy who takes pride in his clean '71 LeMans or whatever it may be. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I'll agree with your being one of those rich pricks...

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by red70goat:>>>>1) I would never compare a modern day GTO (when Pontiac gets around to making one) to a Mustang as you frequently do. They are not in the same class. A fact you frequently ignore. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How many times have you referenced the retro styling of the Mustang?

I agree they aren't in the same class, because the Mustang has never compared to the GTO, old or new.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote">quote:<HR>Originally posted by red70goat:>>> When my 70 is ready to go it will be driven on a nearly daily basis, except in winter. I will not drive it until then. At 278,000 miles I do not want to put any more wear and tear on it until the "restoration" is done. The road salt here chews up older cars like candy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who asked you to drive your car in winter in road salt. Summertime cruising isn't going to add any significant wear and tear to the body of your 278,000 mile GTO (you have already told us that it runs well - although I don't understand how you know this because you don't drive it...).