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#1
03-10-2005, 07:28 PM
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This could have been real bad. Not sure what happened but the oil pressure when I started the car up after changing the oil was over 100 psi.
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#2
03-10-2005, 07:28 PM
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This could have been real bad. Not sure what happened but the oil pressure when I started the car up after changing the oil was over 100 psi.
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#3
03-11-2005, 12:49 AM
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I'd open it up and check the filter material is still intact.
My friend had to rebuild his 428 (running the 80psi SD pump) when a Pennzoil filter collapsed under the pressure and filled the engine with filter material.
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#4
03-11-2005, 01:17 AM
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hey mike, i had this happen to me many moons ago, it was a stuck oil pump pressure relief valve, it was stuck closed. when the engine started, the oil pressure pegged the 100psi gage, i heard a pop, then the oil pressure started falling. i replaced the pump and all was fine
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#5
03-11-2005, 04:48 AM
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It would be hard pressed for pontiac relief to stick. It is a large steel ball. If the filter has gone bad an damaged the engine, I would go back to the manufacturer and make a claim. It happens all the time and they pay many claims.
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#6
03-11-2005, 08:16 AM
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Thanks for the feedback, there must have been something wrong with the filter. I put a new one on last night and cranked up the car. Everything seems happy.
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#7
03-11-2005, 09:55 AM
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USE A PREMIUM FILTER SUCH A NAPA GOLD FILTER OR WIX........THEY ARE THE SAME. DON'T USE A $3.49 FILTER ON A "EXPENSIVE" MOTOR..ISN'T WORTH IT !!
WIX WILL STAND BEHIND THEIR PRODUCTS. I USE NAPA GOLD/WIX PERIOD. I WORKED FOR NAPA FOR YEARS AND HAD NO ISSUES WITH THE GOLD FILTERS BUT DID WITH THEIR "SECOND" LINE FILTERS....$1.99 AND UP. THEY MAY BE OK FOR BEATERS..........  JUST NOTICED YOUR FILTER FAILED AT THE CRIMP...TYPICAL FAILURE OF "CHEAPER" FILTERS OR THEY BLOW THE SEALING RING OUT...
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#8
03-11-2005, 10:19 AM
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To reiterate the results of the famous "filter study" of a few years ago, The Fram garden variety filters were poor, the AC-Delcos were good, lots of media area, and good construction materials. The WIX, (NAPA) gold, (same filter) were good also.
I've never bought a Fram filter since. Theire high perf line may be a lot better, but the filter study did not examine them. For those who have never read it, here is the link: http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html I'm impressed with the amount of detail the author went into to do the study. George
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#9
03-11-2005, 02:45 PM
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The Fram HP line has a heavier case and many of them are larger than standard filters but they still use the crappy cardboard end caps. For disposable filters I think WIX are the best in terms of flow combined with filtering capability.
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#10
03-11-2005, 06:26 PM
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I agree i had a Fram go very bad.
All i use is Delco OE filters are almost always better. George great link alot of information!
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#11
03-11-2005, 09:37 PM
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What 60man & George said.
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#12
03-11-2005, 09:43 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RPM:
The Fram HP line has a heavier case and many of them are larger than standard filters but they still use the crappy cardboard end caps. For disposable filters I think WIX are the best in terms of flow combined with filtering capability. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Agree on Fram filters. We cut open a Fram filter. Inside was a filter media with about 1/2 the number of pleats as a NAPA Gold, in other words only half the filtering as a Gold filter. It had cardboard ends glued to media and had a string tied around the media to keep it round I guess. it had a piece of tin bent (bi-metal spring) for a bypass spring instead of a real spring!! Pure junk. Sorry but that's the way it is, I won't use a Fram om my lawn mower !!!
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#13
03-12-2005, 07:05 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 74t/a:
It would be hard pressed for pontiac relief to stick. It is a large steel ball. If the filter has gone bad an damaged the engine, I would go back to the manufacturer and make a claim. It happens all the time and they pay many claims. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Oh trust me, they can stick. Had a rough experience that many can attest to at Maple Grove. Dumped about 6 qts at 120 mph plus. And on Video.  Car had about 20 passes prior and 50 since then. After The Experience Changed the filter and rev'd engine quite high and a few times and it finally returned to normal. Went to Norwalk and raced the whole weekend. That's why I swear by Synthetic oils.  But when the relief was stuck. The needle came all the way around to the zero stop peg. Don't know how far is was going.  I now strickly use the Fram Racing filter with a higher burst pressure casing. |
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#14
03-12-2005, 07:28 AM
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Ken,
Did you ever come up with a theory as to "why or how" the check valve (ball) stuck? It seems unlikly to happen...
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#15
03-12-2005, 09:08 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by PONTIAC DUDE:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 74t/a: It would be hard pressed for pontiac relief to stick. It is a large steel ball. If the filter has gone bad an damaged the engine, I would go back to the manufacturer and make a claim. It happens all the time and they pay many claims. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Oh trust me, they can stick. Had a rough experience that many can attest to at Maple Grove. Dumped about 6 qts at 120 mph plus. And on Video. Car had about 20 passes prior and 50 since then. After The Experience Changed the filter and rev'd engine quite high and a few times and it finally returned to normal. Went to Norwalk and raced the whole weekend. That's why I swear by Synthetic oils. But when the relief was stuck. The needle came all the way around to the zero stop peg. Don't know how far is was going. I now strickly use the Fram Racing filter with a higher burst pressure casing. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> I've seen them stick open from trash getting in there, but never closed. It just goes to show you sh!t happens and Murphy (and his law) is our best friend! |
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#16
03-12-2005, 12:58 PM
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Nope, never did. Like I said had run the car at home with over 15/20 passes. Even made 3 passes the previous night at M.G. T & T, then happened on a Q-16 qualifying pass the next day.
Replaced the filter, added 6 qts of oil, got pi$$ed and hammered the engine, oil pressure straighten out, ran low 9's at Norwalk, went home, made a dozen or so passes, Ran Orlando, then played some more. Tore it down over the winter. No damage. Go figure????  It was the year Paul Rash & I had our Match race deal going on and He wasn't ready at Maple Grove, so............ I just figured he put one of those Voodoo Hex's on me. Bwahahahahahahaha. |
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#17
03-12-2005, 01:06 PM
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I had a check ball stick in a 80# pump a few years back. When I pulled it apart I found a tiny little piece of metal wedged between the ball and case. Talk about a pain in the a$$
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#18
03-12-2005, 03:45 PM
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Gonna piss some people off. I plug the bypass off & use delco or wix, and lee(in the past when they where available), never had a problem with 60lb gm pumps.
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#19
03-12-2005, 10:12 PM
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"...plug the bypass off.." ?????
You lost me.
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#20
03-13-2005, 04:05 AM
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Fram filters are crap no mater what part number you get. The delco filters have never given me a problem yet and I use the PF24 on both my Bonneville and my Skylark for over 7 years each.
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