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#1
10-08-2005, 11:52 AM
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Steve,I was told by Fritz I believe that the factory cast 3 special blocks for the hemi project.They added meat where the block needed to be ground for pushrod clearance.I will see Fritz tomorrow and reconfirm.Steve van Dyn has one for sure and a lot of other hemi stuff.How is the progress on the DS1001 block I sold you coming?Jack,that is the block I called you about a few years ago to get machined.After not finding anyone that wanted to touch it I sold it to Steve.Tom
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#2
10-08-2005, 12:03 PM
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Tom, I tried to get Steve Van Dyn to sell me some hemi stuff when he apparently cleaned out Mickey's shop. Didn't want to part with anything. Do you know what he has and what he's done with it? Like Steve Barcak said, it'd be nice to keep a registry of all the "good stuff" out there!
Old one, how much ya got?
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#3
10-08-2005, 12:36 PM
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Will see Steve tomorrow also.I know he not only has a lot of stuff but he ALSO has the mold boards for alot of the M/T stuff.He has a challanger motor.He has NEVER as far as I know sold any of the M/T stuff.Will confirm more tomorrow.Both Steve and Fritz are at the long beach hipo swap meet the 2nd sun of every month.Tom
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#4
10-08-2005, 05:00 PM
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A guy offered one of the Challenger engines on eBay about a year ago - was it this same guy ? Or one of you other guys ? |
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#5
10-08-2005, 01:13 PM
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Tom,
Progress on the V block has been very good. I did have it on display at Pontiac Heaven for all to look at awell as a bunch of other cool Pontiac stuff. Maybe you missed it. If I wouldn't have moved, the block would already have been in my fueler. Moving has backed things up a bit. I will mainly be using the alum block for ease of mainenance and repairability. I kind of would prefer not to potentially sacrifice such a rare part to the nitro gods but, I have so much money and time into it now I am sure I couldn't sell it. With the alum block I can machine it to use removeable cylinder liners like a KB, TFX, Donovan, etc. This feature is a real benefit on a nitro car where lots of maintenence is needed. This block was raw with only the cam hole machined. All tooling was based from the cam location. It has been cool to make tooling to machine a block from scratch. Once finished, I will start on my first 2 billet block forgings for the ultimate in strength, repairability and serviceability. I hope the V block survives the time it will be used. I tried to get Steve van dun to help me with some HEMI stuff years back but, he didn;t want to bother with me. Old one- I don;t understand your above post saying you want them. That is the same engine and parts you insulted me about on Rudy;s thread. You said something of the sort that they were junk. The HEMI heads though about 45 yeard old now still have very impressive exhaust ports. They seem to still compare with the best today. I think the intakes will need work and I have many ideas to try. Still, they should work well in a blown/nitro application as they were designed to do so. Not a production based ( factory manufactured). Steve Barcak www.pontiacheaven.org
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#6
10-08-2005, 05:32 PM
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You are barking up the wrong tree, Steve B. I'd never call a M/T Hemi head junk- to me, they are the ultimate Pontiac head. You better go back and read that thread over, cuz it was NOT ME posting that. Get a reality check. What I said was, I'd love to run one MYSELF, N/A form with a custom steel intake and headers with collectors and 1-4 bbl. Where you and I disagreed was on the PONTIAC BLOCK strength. The old Pontiac bottom end would break before the HP potential of those heads could be fully realized in blown applications. And you know that's true, otherwise why did you make a bottom end oil pan mounted girdle to strengthen yours ? I'd buy a pair of M/T heads TODAY if I could find them- and they coin wasn't too long. |
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#7
10-08-2005, 05:38 PM
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Charlie,what is long coin to you?$5000-7000-10000?I will see Steve tomorrow.Money talks and BS walks!Tom
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10-10-2005, 05:38 PM
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Tom- get a price on a pair of heads if you can. |
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#9
10-10-2005, 05:42 PM
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Charlie,the alu blocks are out.Ric Johnson has two in his shop right now being built for customers.Tom
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#10
10-09-2005, 08:21 AM
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Steel intake? Again, why? Last edited by Sunshine State Shaker; 10-09-2005 at 09:09 AM. |
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#11
10-09-2005, 08:48 AM
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Jack:
I saw your puller in HPP in '86 or '87 or something. Brought a big smile to my face. Then, awhile ago, HPP did the in-depth story on it. Again, more big smiles. Unbelievable. But that article seemed to only scratch the surface with respect to making the hemi heads work. Have you given some consideration to writing down EVERYTHING you've learned about making them functional and perhaps disseminating that information to those who would LOVE to know? I'm not sure if you're inclined to share all of that hard-gained knowledge with others, but some of us "younger" guys would be really grateful. That fact that these heads, along with rare V stuff, just sit around and gather dust, is regrettable at best and wasteful at worst. I'm fortunate enough to have met Tom S. via the internet and to have been told tales about the old days in SoCal with Pontiacs. It's also great that Tom is at a point in his life to be able to actually build and enjoy this stuff, instead of just looking at other peoples' stashes, sitting on shelves doing nothing. I know these are projects that he's wanted to do since I was in diapers: He has built (AND currently drives!): A real 421 SD-powered '63 Tempest using REAL parts on a 24K original mile car. An all-aluminum 1960-vintage motor, using all of the right parts. A V motor or two and actually USES one in his '69 TA. Again, with all the right parts. He just recently bought a '69 GTO that will get the "right" V treatment. He just recently bought a '63 Tempest wagon, AND persistently tracked down a Powershift unit, in order to do a "right" 421 SD replica. I'm sure there are others. Steve Barcak: Folks may throw sh!t at his doorstep for running mid 7s in a fuel powered modern FED that SHOULD run low sixes or high fives. However, the fact that he's DONE what he's done with his blocks, girdles, Wenzler heads, etc. is truly commendable. He'll get around to the dragster, eventually. Right now, he's got other "children" who also need attention. The guy just loves the Pontiac V8 and the cars that it came in. The fact that he's chased down and bought all that cool hemi stuff is also respectable. I think Steve would eat cold soup from a can for a year, in order to further his Pontiac projects, if he had to. Jim Yanoski: The guy RAN an Algon-injected, V-powered '65 GTO convertible on the street. He told me about how he acquired that complete V engine years before and that he still had all of the manuals from Algon. I first met Jim at a Pontiac show at the Warminster Air Base in 1987 when he had that car on display. Jim definitely marched, and still marches, to his own drummer. He and Steve had the pleasure of meeting and spending some time together this summer, when Steve was out on the East Coast. Dave Swimm: the man was running 8.40s with a factory block, crank, heads, distributor, a single 4150 Holley and a TH400, THIRTEEN years ago! Scott Rex? Bruce Maichle? Rick Johnson? You guys, all named above, are MY Pontiac heros.  Beswick? A wonderful gentleman, to be sure. But what's he done with Pontiacs in 35 years, besides match race a '64 Chevelle?  Fulper? Say what you will about that guy, but he truly loves the Pontiac V8 also. If he was not in the business of pissing people off, and instead was employed in another capacity, his reputation would be entirely different. He really is a Pontiac guy. Last edited by Sunshine State Shaker; 10-09-2005 at 09:08 AM. |
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10-09-2005, 09:30 AM
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SSS,
Buying parts of your dreams and then having the time and the $$$ to do it right when it's not a bolt together project means things sit sometimes until it's feasable. I'm working with Jack and have talked to Tom S about what I need to do to get my hemi together and it will get together. With a magnesium blower intake, not a 'steel' single 4 barrel! I'll add Jack to your list of Pontiac heros. He made the hemi work and work well. Now about those RA V aluminum heads......haven't seen a picture yet.
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#13
10-09-2005, 10:04 AM
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Jim's RA V GTO was a show car, not a street car. He didn't RUN the GTO on the street once the RA V was installed. |
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#14
10-09-2005, 10:10 AM
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Put a blower on it and it becomes a monument that looks cool (for a little while) but rarely or never gets driven. Put an intake and carb on it, and you can drive it every day- with no hassle. |
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10-08-2005, 05:34 PM
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enough to buy about 10 complete M/T engines. and then some |
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10-08-2005, 05:37 PM
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Steve Van Dun can be very hard to deal with- I tried to buy 303 RA V heads from him a LONG time ago, when most of these deals were done via Hemmings Motor News- pre-internet days- remember that ? He has been known to be less than scrupulous on some parts sales. He's not a Pontiac man- he's a computer programmer or something. |
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