[theoldone]

Originally Posted by Steve Barcak

Tom,
Old one- I don;t understand your above post saying you want them. That is the same engine and parts you insulted me about on Rudy;s thread. You said something of the sort that they were junk.
The HEMI heads though about 45 yeard old now still have very impressive exhaust ports. They seem to still compare with the best today. I think the intakes will need work and I have many ideas to try. Still, they should work well in a blown/nitro application as they were designed to do so. Not a production based ( factory manufactured).
Steve Barcak www.pontiacheaven.org

You are barking up the wrong tree, Steve B. I'd never call a M/T Hemi head junk- to me, they are the ultimate Pontiac head. You better go back and read that thread over, cuz it was NOT ME posting that. Get a reality check.

What I said was, I'd love to run one MYSELF, N/A form with a custom steel intake and headers with collectors and 1-4 bbl.

Where you and I disagreed was on the PONTIAC BLOCK strength. The old Pontiac bottom end would break before the HP potential of those heads could be fully realized in blown applications. And you know that's true, otherwise why did you make a bottom end oil pan mounted girdle to strengthen yours ?

I'd buy a pair of M/T heads TODAY if I could find them- and they coin wasn't too long.

[tom s]

Charlie,what is long coin to you?$5000-7000-10000?I will see Steve tomorrow.Money talks and BS walks!Tom

[theoldone]

Originally Posted by tom s

Charlie,what is long coin to you?$5000-7000-10000?I will see Steve tomorrow.Money talks and BS walks!Tom

Tom- get a price on a pair of heads if you can.

[tom s]

Charlie,the alu blocks are out.Ric Johnson has two in his shop right now being built for customers.Tom

[Sunshine State Shaker]

Originally Posted by theoldone

I'd love to run one MYSELF, N/A form with a custom steel intake and headers with collectors and 1-4 bbl.

Why?

Steel intake?

Again, why?

[Sunshine State Shaker]

Jack:

I saw your puller in HPP in '86 or '87 or something. Brought a big smile to my face.

Then, awhile ago, HPP did the in-depth story on it. Again, more big smiles.

Unbelievable.

But that article seemed to only scratch the surface with respect to making the hemi heads work.

Have you given some consideration to writing down EVERYTHING you've learned about making them functional and perhaps disseminating that information to those who would LOVE to know? I'm not sure if you're inclined to share all of that hard-gained knowledge with others, but some of us "younger" guys would be really grateful.

That fact that these heads, along with rare V stuff, just sit around and gather dust, is regrettable at best and wasteful at worst. I'm fortunate enough to have met Tom S. via the internet and to have been told tales about the old days in SoCal with Pontiacs. It's also great that Tom is at a point in his life to be able to actually build and enjoy this stuff, instead of just looking at other peoples' stashes, sitting on shelves doing nothing. I know these are projects that he's wanted to do since I was in diapers:

He has built (AND currently drives!):

A real 421 SD-powered '63 Tempest using REAL parts on a 24K original mile car.

An all-aluminum 1960-vintage motor, using all of the right parts.

A V motor or two and actually USES one in his '69 TA. Again, with all the right parts.

He just recently bought a '69 GTO that will get the "right" V treatment.

He just recently bought a '63 Tempest wagon, AND persistently tracked down a Powershift unit, in order to do a "right" 421 SD replica.

I'm sure there are others.

Steve Barcak:

Folks may throw sh!t at his doorstep for running mid 7s in a fuel powered modern FED that SHOULD run low sixes or high fives. However, the fact that he's DONE what he's done with his blocks, girdles, Wenzler heads, etc. is truly commendable. He'll get around to the dragster, eventually. Right now, he's got other "children" who also need attention. The guy just loves the Pontiac V8 and the cars that it came in. The fact that he's chased down and bought all that cool hemi stuff is also respectable. I think Steve would eat cold soup from a can for a year, in order to further his Pontiac projects, if he had to.

Jim Yanoski: The guy RAN an Algon-injected, V-powered '65 GTO convertible on the street. He told me about how he acquired that complete V engine years before and that he still had all of the manuals from Algon. I first met Jim at a Pontiac show at the Warminster Air Base in 1987 when he had that car on display. Jim definitely marched, and still marches, to his own drummer. He and Steve had the pleasure of meeting and spending some time together this summer, when Steve was out on the East Coast.

Dave Swimm: the man was running 8.40s with a factory block, crank, heads, distributor, a single 4150 Holley and a TH400, THIRTEEN years ago!

Scott Rex?

Bruce Maichle?

Rick Johnson?

You guys, all named above, are MY Pontiac heros.



Beswick? A wonderful gentleman, to be sure. But what's he done with Pontiacs in 35 years, besides match race a '64 Chevelle?



Fulper? Say what you will about that guy, but he truly loves the Pontiac V8 also. If he was not in the business of pissing people off, and instead was employed in another capacity, his reputation would be entirely different. He really is a Pontiac guy.

[misterp266]

SSS,

Buying parts of your dreams and then having the time and the $$$ to do it right when it's not a bolt together project means things sit sometimes until it's feasable. I'm working with Jack and have talked to Tom S about what I need to do to get my hemi together and it will get together. With a magnesium blower intake, not a 'steel' single 4 barrel! I'll add Jack to your list of Pontiac heros. He made the hemi work and work well. Now about those RA V aluminum heads......haven't seen a picture yet.

[Sunshine State Shaker]

Originally Posted by misterp266

SSS,

1. Buying parts of your dreams and then having the time and the $$$ to do it right when it's not a bolt together project means things sit sometimes until it's feasable.

2. I'll add Jack to your list of Pontiac heros. He made the hemi work and work well.

3. Now about those RA V aluminum heads......haven't seen a picture yet.

1. I was referring to parts hoarders. I know nothing of you or of your plans.

2. No need. Re-read my sentence, where I said "all named above."

3. Nor will you. You'll just have to wait until the car is running.

[theoldone]

Originally Posted by Sunshine State Shaker

Jack:
Jim Yanoski: The guy RAN an Algon-injected, V-powered '65 GTO convertible on the street.

Jim's RA V GTO was a show car, not a street car. He didn't RUN the GTO on the street once the RA V was installed.

[Sunshine State Shaker]

Originally Posted by theoldone

Jim's RA V GTO was a show car, not a street car. He didn't RUN the GTO on the street once the RA V was installed.

That's not what Jim told me, Charlie.

But, if that's the case, then I stand corrected.

Perhaps Jim will come on and confirm that.

[theoldone]

Originally Posted by Sunshine State Shaker

That's not what Jim told me, Charlie.

But, if that's the case, then I stand corrected.

Perhaps Jim will come on and confirm that.

All hail Scot Misus- gentleman landowner, record company executive, Pontiac hobbyist, and axe king of heavy metal...

[Sunshine State Shaker]

Originally Posted by theoldone

You seem to forget the guy ran a D-port car into the 7's-

I didn't forget, Charlie.

I simply forgot to post it.

[theoldone]

Originally Posted by Sunshine State Shaker

Why?

Steel intake?

Again, why?

Put a blower on it and it becomes a monument that looks cool (for a little while) but rarely or never gets driven.

Put an intake and carb on it, and you can drive it every day- with no hassle.