[Jim Scites]

I've known Pontiac462 for several years personally. I helped him sell his last 2 cars before this one. Each one got more radical as time went by. I remember when he brought this one home, it was pretty radical then, but it evolved into one of the most different vehicles I have ever seen. I don't know a more recognized car out there today. He is on the front cover of a national magazine, he is all over most of the other magazines. Bill did a wonderful job on his creation. The detail is really wonderful. The interior is fantastic, the paint is breathtaking, this is a top notch car. Sounds ALMOST like jealousy to call the man that built such a wonderful and detailed machine stupid.

[screamingchief]

Pretty freakin HARSH dude. I know they are your views and opinions, but grab a clue.

Grab a clue,yeah,right,if anybody here has one,lemme know...

Why dont you follow your own advice,go back and re-read the posts...

Nowhere did I address Bill (Pontiac462) directly,so if he took offense at my comments,he did so on his own,for reasons of his own.

The only comment directed at him intentionally was the "get over it" comment.

The rest of my comments were just generalities,not intended for anybody specifically,go over the wording very carefully,if they strike a nerve with you,that's on ya'll,not me.

If I wanted to say something directly to/at Bill (Pontiac462),I'd say so directly,no bs games!

My comments were made to address the "car show" mindset some folks seem to have (nobody specifically though folks...),like all that matters is "one upping" the competition and winning awards and having the masses fawn over their creations,to me it's all kinda like a pretty girl with low self esteem who attends pagents,just a kinda pathetic need for positive reinforcement to improve ones ego,but if that's what "floats your boat" more power to ya'll.

And this applies to concours restorations as much as all out pro-street cars!

My comments were quite a bit different than Bill's directly stating a person who'd own a "plain vanilla '72 firebird formula" must've been riding "the short bus" to school (which of course was a jab at the topic starter) because Bill openly stated his comments were "for those who dont understand" and made it an "open" statement applying to all who dont follow his reasoning.

I never once directed my comments at anybody,they were general statements with no specific targets,if they found their mark,that's just dumb luck...

But the main point here is this,Bill did exactly what he was pissed at the topic starter for doing,he slammed the topic starters choices in cars,and he did this because the fellow stated his opinion,when he himself says that was wrong,there's a word for that type of behavior,it's hypocrisy.

Pontiac462:For those who just don't understand the concept of being different than the crowd, I'm sorry. I'll sell it real cheap and go down to the vanilla store and buy a white 72 Firebird Formula. Seems EVERYBODY has one of those. Maybe I'll get a 77 Firebird Formula or a 69 Grand Prix and REALLY stick out in the crowd.

I'm sorry you are too shy to stand out or too uncomfortable to try something different, but that is no reason to slam somebody else for doing what THEY WANT to do with THEIR car. Since you probably rode the short bus to school, have a friend or caretaker read this link to you. Maybe then you will have a clue.

Implying that someone would be a "retard" or such for owning one of those cars,now who here needs a clue???

Who's being harsh here???

Pontiac462:I'm not gonna slam somebody elses car who may not be perfect, or "my cup of tea" just because I don't like it.

No,you'll just retaliate and slam their cars out of spite and pettiness...

That's much better...

I've yet to express my opinion on the car in question here,but dont hold your breath waiting,I just felt that some comments were made in a very poor manner,with little more thought given than to "lash out" at the fellow for stating his opinion of the car.

Sorry,but I just call 'em as I see 'em.

Bret.

[Bill Bolin]

Originally Posted by screamingchief

Grab a clue,yeah,right,if anybody here has one,lemme know...

Why dont you follow your own advice,go back and re-read the posts...

Nowhere did I address Bill (Pontiac462) directly,so if he took offense at my comments,he did so on his own,for reasons of his own.

The only comment directed at him intentionally was the "get over it" comment.

The rest of my comments were just generalities,not intended for anybody specifically,go over the wording very carefully,if they strike a nerve with you,that's on ya'll,not me.

If I wanted to say something directly to/at Bill (Pontiac462),I'd say so directly,no bs games!

My comments were made to address the "car show" mindset some folks seem to have (nobody specifically though folks...),like all that matters is "one upping" the competition and winning awards and having the masses fawn over their creations,to me it's all kinda like a pretty girl with low self esteem who attends pagents,just a kinda pathetic need for positive reinforcement to improve ones ego,but if that's what "floats your boat" more power to ya'll.

And this applies to concours restorations as much as all out pro-street cars!

My comments were quite a bit different than Bill's directly stating a person who'd own a "plain vanilla '72 firebird formula" must've been riding "the short bus" to school (which of course was a jab at the topic starter) because Bill openly stated his comments were "for those who dont understand" and made it an "open" statement applying to all who dont follow his reasoning.

I never once directed my comments at anybody,they were general statements with no specific targets,if they found their mark,that's just dumb luck...

But the main point here is this,Bill did exactly what he was pissed at the topic starter for doing,he slammed the topic starters choices in cars,and he did this because the fellow stated his opinion,when he himself says that was wrong,there's a word for that type of behavior,it's hypocrisy.


Implying that someone would be a "retard" or such for owning one of those cars,now who here needs a clue???

Who's being harsh here???


No,you'll just retaliate and slam their cars out of spite and pettiness...

That's much better...

I've yet to express my opinion on the car in question here,but dont hold your breath waiting,I just felt that some comments were made in a very poor manner,with little more thought given than to "lash out" at the fellow for stating his opinion of the car.

Sorry,but I just call 'em as I see 'em.

Bret.

You are entitled to your opinions as well. Like you, I read "between" the lines. I never mentioned anyone inparticular either when I said Vanilla store 72 Firebird Formula. If you or anyone else feels they hit the target.....That's just plain dumb luck!

And as I stated, I didn't throw the first rock, but I will return fire. Let me ask you something......If someone said "why would you marry that stupid woman", would you take offense??? That is someone else second guessing your choice of a person. Isn't it? Same thing here. I would never say to someone, or state publicly that someone was stupid or made a stupid decision marrying the wrong women. I feel nobody has the right to second guess my decision on my car. You can choose not to like it. You can choose not to build one like it. I just think it shows ones character to start a thread stating that. If we were talking one on one and he said he didn't like it, that's fine. If he would have IM'ed me and said the same thing, that's his choice. But he slammed it publicly and should have expected some retaliation. Yeah, it pissed me off, but If we were somewhere and someone said out loud that I married a stupid woman.....he would be very lucky to just get away with me telling him where to go. Of course I take it personally.....I have a lot of money and time invested in it. I think we all take our cars personally. They are an extension of each of us. Thats why we are enthusiasts. We can agree to disagree. We like Pontiacs...others like Chevys, Fords, Mopars and others but when we are at a general car show, we can appreciate other brands as well.

But I forgot.....

"My comments were made to address the "car show" mindset some folks seem to have (nobody specifically though folks...),like all that matters is "one upping" the competition and winning awards and having the masses fawn over their creations,to me it's all kinda like a pretty girl with low self esteem who attends pagents,just a kinda pathetic need for positive reinforcement to improve ones ego,but if that's what "floats your boat" more power to ya'll.

And this applies to concours restorations as much as all out pro-street cars!"


I just like hanging out with other car people and meeting new friends. I drag raced for over 13 years and I didn't care if I won or lost. It was something to do. The same goes for car shows. I don't care if I win or lose, I go to see other cars and meet new people (and hang out with old friends).